One thing that pisses me off

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  1. rudeboy99, Apr 3, 2015

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    Back in the day, we were pushed pretty hard to maximize the number of rolls per shift/week/month...you get it...Ideally ( from the house's opinion) to synchronize the arrival of the dice to the shooter slightly before the base dealers paid out their last couple of bets (no dice setting or fiddlin' around back then) with the dealers back out of the way (barely) when the dice came smokin' down the layout. The dice would stop rollin', the stick would make the call, and the process would begin again. At times the game pace and moves made were almost overwhelming. An hour long go 'round would fly by. You were too busy to look at your watch, practically. Personally, I'm glad we don't run things this way now, so much.:cool:
     
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    Yeah, little wonder why players can get caught with hands out especially at busy tables. Then there are times when a newbie base dealer is slow on one end with an experienced base dealer on the other end. The table ends are always out of sync and stick presents dice while the other end is still paying out. That forces players into late bets even when they are betting as fast as the slow dealer can reconcile the bets.
    I suppose the shooter could wing 'em off the table and call for same dice to buy the crew and players some time to catch up.
     
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  3. rudeboy99, Apr 3, 2015

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    The rule of thumb is you can only move the game as fast as the slowest dealer. Now, though, you can only go as fast as the shooter, who has no idea why he's setting the dice, but he saw somebody do it and he thought it looked awesome, so he slows the show down to a crawl. THIS is the thing that really pisses ME off. I don't give a rat's arse if the house gets enough rolls, but I like a quick game pace and I think most players do to. I wouldn't mind nearly as much if they were trying to do something.:cool:
     
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  4. "Hollywood", Apr 3, 2015

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    Nope,that was only one thing i stated that pisses me off... I wouldnt play blackjack if it was the only game in the casino.... I dont care how someone else bets their money as long as its not a crummy center bet,hardways while the dice are out.
     
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  5. Onautopilot, Apr 3, 2015

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    I use to get annoyed at the same things you mention, just as I use to get annoyed at some inconsiderate drivers on the road. Then one day I realized my attitude was never going to change their behavior, and they were not going away...I could either quit driving, and playing craps, or I could change my attitude. I decided to change my attitude, neither of these events bother me anymore, and I like it better that way! :)
     
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  6. Morgue, Apr 3, 2015

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    If the stick waited a couple more seconds, a few extra bets could be made. Sounds like a money winner to me.

    The fact is, some players take a little longer to decide how they're going to spend their money.

    "Can I get a..."
    "Hands back!" "No bet!"

    Wasted opportunity if you ask me.
     
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  7. The Midnight Skulker, Apr 6, 2015

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    The late bettor might get a different reaction if he/she talked faster.

    "Can I get a hundred dollar...
    "Hands...What?"
     
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  8. The Comeback Kid, Apr 7, 2015

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    You smart Monsieur Pilot, you velly smart.

    Can't control conditions. Not that way, anyway. However, there is one thing you can control; your reaction. And as a result will cause said unwanted condition(s) to cease & desist from occurring in your experience. It's magical, and it's the law - really.

    Pushing against unwanted only makes it stronger - drawing it closer to you. Now a momentum ensues and you're annoyed, pissed off, frustrated, and royally f#%ked.
    Without emotional equilibrium, it's really hard to win, much less, have a good day.

    And the more you bitch and moan about it - the more you "activate it" and guarantee a future occurrence.

    Thoughts are powerful and reality changes ONLY when thinking does.
    Changing tables may offer temporary relief but soon, like an old friend, the unwanted condition follows you. Damn!

    Solution:
    Talk it down. Give 'em a break. Soothe yourself. Not for their sake - for yours.
    * Crazy driver cuts you off? "Oh they must have a medical emergency. Maybe he's pregnant!"
    * Late center bettor? "How interesting. I'm sure my mother would bet this way. Not my circus; not my monkeys. I'll let the dealers handle it. How 'bout those Yankees."

    Change unwanted conditions from the inside out. It's the only way.
    You hold all the power to live happily-ever-after - or not.
    Nice to know, eh?

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  9. TDVegas, Apr 7, 2015

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    If the people playing bubble craps (who are throwing prop bets ALL OVER the board x 8 seats) were playing on a regular table, some of you guys would go nutz waiting for those bets to be placed by dealers.

    There would be a roll every 9 minutes.

    Bubble? 20 seconds, roll---20 seconds, roll---20 seconds, roll.
    Nothing sweeter.
     
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    I was discussing the dealers attitude with my wife this morning at breakfast
    Seems the dealers in Venetian and mirage are no better or worse than the dealers in the shithole royale

    eyes are wandering off into the casino between rolls, they seem so super disinterested,the pit can even be heard using sarcasm on several occasions
    Last night in Venetian, I heard the pit say to the dealer,let me go what exciting things are happening over there,the other table
    So I think to mysel ,HEY ASSHOLE, yeah you pit person asshole,me and every person at this table ,whether we are playing reds or greens or blacks, are the reason you have a job.
    So asshole,take your sarcastic and disinterest ing remarks and go kindly screw yourself
    And I found the dealers no better
    ThNo when I go to sands Bethlehem and find their dealers way too friendly ill embrace it because at least they seem interested in the player having an overall good gambling experience,
    The pit crew in sands and other places call numbers so you can here them and when those hard way hits, it's loud and the dealers are into it also
    Lucky shooter, lucky shooter and all that jazz
    Not here.
    In royale,the dealers seem like they are serving a prison sentence
    Venetian and mirage,they are counting down minutes to the end of thei shift
    And if you question anything,they are a bit condenscending

    I realized llast night when I got back to my room, I'm the ass because I still tipped
    Them at the end of play and bet some hardways for them

    I'm done tipping dealers in Vegas

    They can continue to keep their oh shit I hate my fuckin job, I hate my fucking life attitudes, and now will make less tips from me,and I always tip, win or lose

    My wife pinpointed it just now while we were eating
    You have to be somewhat of a people person to be a dealer or you will ruin everyone's experience

    But I can't change them,don't want a friend,but I don't want a sour puss
    Condenscending sarcastic moron either,
    But no more tips from me,not in VegasVegas
     
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  11. Onautopilot, Apr 7, 2015

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    I think the attitude of dealers started changing with the "pooled" tips era. When they were benefiting directly from their table tips, it seemed better to me, although there have always been a percentage of disinterested, rude dealers. If the crew is not interested, or distracted, I leave the table! I play for the enjoyment, and the hope of winning some, if the atmosphere is not positive, it just doesn't work for me.
     
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  12. TDVegas, Apr 7, 2015

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    I would absolutely concur. Getting a tip and putting it your pocket seems like a great way to encourage the best customer service. Maybe these dealers just look at their final paycheck as if the expectation is "tip included" without an eye as to the reason why...similar to restaurants that have automatic tipping policies (Europe and Miami Beach)....
     
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  13. TDVegas, Apr 7, 2015

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    2 years ago I played a little roulette in NYNY. The worst dealer imaginable tip begging all over the table. I told the pit boss...she shrugged. Nothing worse than disinterested dealers or tip beggars. I've become a proponent of bubble craps. No waiting, no dealers. I'm sure there are some very good ones out there...the problem is the bad ones can ruin the experience for some players.
     
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  14. Onautopilot, Apr 7, 2015

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    The casino close by my RV park here is a Harrahs property, and Harrahs was never my favorite casino, but the crew there is a cut above most casinos I visit. They are knowledgeable, friendly, and most of the time very into the game. There is one other casino where the dealers are outstanding, an Oregon Indian casino, Seven Feathers. Was always treated great there, they never mention tipping, but are very grateful when you do.
     
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  15. Grizzoola, Apr 7, 2015

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    Not for me, TD. I get a kick out of the goings on at a live table. If you're playing at a machine, you're a machine. Not for me.
     
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  16. TDVegas, Apr 7, 2015

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    Well, I'm there to play and enjoy my play. I really don't care about the other "goings on" stuff or personalities. Bubble craps works great for me. No waiting, no bad dealers, no complainers---random just like the tables. I like the big dice too---no squinting from the other end of the table to get a read on the outcome.

    It really doesn't matter what you prefer but if someone is going to harp on issues like newbies delaying the game, prop bet delays, etc, etc.....there is an option. Other than not playing at all.
     
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  17. TDVegas, Apr 7, 2015

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    In all the years I've played blackjack, roulette and craps--I can maybe count 3-4 times where the dealer was a problem (disinterested, begging, etc.). 99% of my play and they were always nice. I'm sure they deal with a lot of garbage so I'm not surprised when some have a bad day.
     
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    I played let it ride here today
    I did very very good
    On one hand, I hit a full house and the dealer insisted I get 90 per bet when the payout table says 11 to 1
    I had 15 dollars each hand and even the other 3 players at the table were telling her it wrong, she was ready to scoop up my cards and I put my hands on one of them and said no ,you are way off!
    The pit boss walked over,made sort of a joke about it, showing her the table,my guess is she isn't that experienced at let it ride but everyone was courteous about it,the pit boss said congratulations,so no harm no foul
    At least the dealer and the pit boss apologized.
     
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  19. TDVegas, Apr 7, 2015

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    One of the other reasons I like the bubble or machine---generally no mistakes. Glad they got it right because I'm sure if people are not diligent in what they are supposed to get paid--the casino keeps a lot of money that should have been paid. I wonder if new players to craps even have a clue as to what they are supposed to be paid. People hear 7/6 or 9/5 and go huh?
     
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  20. Morgue, Apr 7, 2015

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    Spot on!

    The odd payouts are a huge barrier for a lot of people. I find explaining place bets easier than the win line though.
     
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