On Axis Classes biggest nightmare!

Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by Dave G Ct, Dec 24, 2016.

  1. gargoil, Dec 26, 2016

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    Nope. Go fish.

    I called you out on your anecdotal claims and you answered. My reply to you okay. you have your opinion and I have mine. Live and let live

    You are not going to get info from.me. Go fish.
     
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  2. Dave G Ct, Dec 26, 2016

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    Thx! No lemmings here!
     
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  3. superrick, Dec 26, 2016

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    How many time do I have to tell you that the dice bounce all over the place when they hit the tables!

    Any of these guys that don't know how to bet are going to lose I don't care what their shot looks like in the air.

    Heavy, could post a video of him or Irish shooting but that is not going to happen on this board or any other nowadays. I've said this many times over and even posted links when Heavy was having a class to his site so anybody could read about it. I do have a problem with the fiction that is written on his site and the great fiction writer the madprofessor that Heavy knows is a fiction writer and he keeps him on his site. Even Irish has written many times that the great Mp was nothing more than a fiction writer!
     
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  4. betwthelines, Dec 26, 2016

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    well, well, look who's here...
    hey, heavy, long time no see...good to see you...nice post.
    for some and maybe especially americans "FREEDOM is the answer" and that this site has "no moderation to speak of" is precisely why many of us are here...

    that it lets members "behave badly" (& god knows many do!) is simply something anyone with even a modicum of psychological balance can easily deal with...the first US bill of rights is not primarily to protect popular speech but rather unpopular and even vile speech (yes, yes, you are right: of course there is, sadly, some of that here...but anyone thinking clearly knows that such is to be EXPECTED on a free and open vehicle)

    just as your commercial sites have a place so too do free and open ones...happily we are free to choose.

    some here believe that your businesses, which, yes IMO DO deal in delusions, are fraudulent, "rip offs" or "scams"...i wish to tell you that i am not of that opinion...if some fool wishes to send you money, i not only have no problem with it but in general think it a good thing...i think that "profit" and "making money", contrary to anti-capitalists, are GOOD things... personally i much prefer a wealthy society to an impoverished one and profit is the only way to get there...i am bemused by those that deem "profit" a dirty word (especially so for "record" profits ...lol)...nope, in this area i am totally in a "buyer beware" mode.

    understatement of the year: there is no one flavor of kool aid on this forum! you well know this too so lay off that nonsense.
    spot on!
    LOL. yep, well, there you go

    there are some here who could not make any valid points whatsoever without first "tak(ing) things out of context" or more accurately attributing to their tormentors things that they have not said---or even the opposite of what they said...starting from false premises is the only way their contentions make sense..

    but the thing is, heavy, anyone of average intelligence can ascertain that---some more easily than others, lol---can easily account for it, consider it and deal with it...your valid criticism is therefore not all that big of a deal to those with other than ultra-thin skin.

    no. we are here for those nuggets of wisdom in between provided without ulterior motives.that are especially possible on free and open media

    you are correct also that many have migrated here for that unfettered freedom to spew their bullshit...we are then perfectly free to ascertain the bullshit and call it out or not as is our wont. both things are right here in front of god and for everyone to see.

    you might also note my first signature below---well, i guess the 2nd one on this particular post---as to why i am here...in general entertainment is also the reason many are here...heavy, it is just a gawdamm CRAPS forum!

    your sites too are legitimate but different. they are commercial in nature and so it makes perfect sense that they would be carefully moderated.

    it's all good...we all have a choice.

    tom p

    "Freedom is mankind's last, best hope on earth"
    --Abraham Lincoln, 1862
     
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  5. gargoil, Dec 26, 2016

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    TDV not sure what old tow faced told you, but basically we know where YOU stand on the forum and you know where others stand on this forum. We are both (me and you) genuine and true to our ideas and opinions. To my knowledge you don't go on other boards for example advocating Dice influence :) (please correct me if this is not true). However Dave is out here talking bad about the same things he is asking nicely for help on the other forum. He was told he couldn't have it both ways so he got upset and started posting things in his thread so he got kicked off. Basically for being two faced. He can argue all day that that's not what happened but there are others on this forum who still have access to HEAVY's board that can confirm.

    Now I am not riding on HEAVY's coat tail or defending him because he is my hero. I simply stated that posting a thread like this unprovoked was uncalled for. People may think HEAVY runs a whatever board and he is a dictator but the fact of the matter is that IT IS HIS forum and he pays for the maintenance and updates, he has rules and he lets everyone knows that if you don't abide by those rules you can't stay there. That's not dictatorship, that's HIS website and forum. People know that going in.

    Now say what you want about the classes he offers or what he sells and all that stuff. I am not going to get involved in that. None of my business. People can form their own opinions. But don't call a person a dictator after you got kicked out for being two faced.
     
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  6. TDVegas, Dec 26, 2016

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    My only input on moderated sites and what I have experienced myself is that the moderator chooses or sways his opinion over others to the point where dissent or disagreement is quashed, silenced or at least frowned on. This is sometimes done with warnings, short term bans or threats of outright banning. If there is even the remote fear of being banished or exiled..it will play a psychological role in how one posts.---especially if he wants to remain a part of the board.

    With those sites...you tend to get everyone who leans vanilla. Those who like chocolate seek greener and free'er pastures.

    While you definitely have to pick and choose what you want to read---there is no question that the more free the board...the more diverse the opinion...and the better, IMO.

    There is no better forum than this one for diversity and input. Jacob gets high marks in how he has structured this forum.
     
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  7. gargoil, Dec 26, 2016

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    Well said Tom P. As I have said before, Agree or disagree, your thoughts on these important matters are unbiased and right to the point. That's why I enjoy reading them.
     
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  8. Dave G Ct, Dec 26, 2016

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    Did Gargoil say I went looking for help on Haevy' s board? Laughable..Do not need any help there .They have a problem because I made Irish look bad.BTW where is that SRT? Sure that " hero" is watching.Come on " Shakes"
     
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  9. gargoil, Dec 26, 2016

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    Yes and No. Okay mostly yes. However if the chocolate is introduced without any brute force and the person introducing it is not forcing it down everyone else's throat then it is tolerable.
    You have to remember HEAVY uses his forum to drive a side business. I mean the forum is his business as in bringing in money.

    I understand what you are saying TDV no argument from me. I don't think Jacob uses this forum as business (other than beer money) so it is open. I guarantee you if he depended on it for something that is heavily discussed then things will immediately change to be more moderated. It's human nature bud.:)
     
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  10. superrick, Dec 26, 2016

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    Dave, who are you trying to kid, every site you go on you're looking for help and you have posted that they helped you!
     
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  11. Dave G Ct, Dec 26, 2016

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    Only MP.
     
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  12. TDVegas, Dec 26, 2016

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    Yes...Heavy feels he has to protect his business. No argument. As I said, the only issue is I don't think you will get a true free flow of different opinions, thoughts or ideas.---and ultimately that's what I think a forum should be.

    It's his sandbox...his rules.
     
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    why does some poster, the moderator, or owner of another board, Heavy, give a shit what someone posts over here?
     
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  14. gargoil, Dec 26, 2016

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    Again I agree 100% (I hope it's not a trend ;) ). That's why other than Dr. Dave I have no one on the ignore list. You can learn by reading some of the posts and picking up things. Everyone has something to offer and everyone can still learn. I can tell you I learn something new almost every time I go to a casino.

    This we see eye to eye. Hope Santa got you what you wanted and have a safe new year in Vegas. I worry about you guys there because of all the idiot threats and Vegas like New York celebrates New years big so hopefully you guys will be safe.
     
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  15. superrick, Dec 26, 2016

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    Dave, you started this shit thread so you could attack Heavy and Irish. The same guys that tried to help you out. Don't say that you never went there looking for help or Mp taught you everything about shooting and betting the game!

    I'm not getting into what Heavy does or how he teaches. If someone wants to pay him money to take a class so be it. I've put links up to his classes before on the board I help run and other boards when he was having a class.

    In a way, I think it's stupid for some of these guys to try playing craps without taking a class! Some have said that I only favor the Little Joe Class that I've put links to also! What I favor is any class that will teach someone how to bet the game the right way if there is such a thing for most players!

    This thread should just go away along with you there Dave, you have worn out your welcome!
     
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  16. tabletop123, Dec 26, 2016

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    It is NEVER good to burn a Bridge! You never know who you might need on down the road!
    Regarding Classes, & great Mechanical Tossers......You need a good amount of luck to compliment that great looking toss, skill, or however you'd care to categorize it!

    Cecil P. Hall ( Aka Buddy Hall, one of the greatest nine ball players that ever lived) had the most horrific luck that I've ever seen a Top player have!

    Due to the absolutely ROTTEN rolls that he received, he placed Second place in Many tournaments wherein he was the Best Player......Hands Down!

    You can keep harping skill, skill, skill, but you'd better be at least marginally lucky too!
     
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  17. Dave G Ct, Dec 26, 2016

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    Like hearing about life in the pool halls
     
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  18. tabletop123, Dec 26, 2016

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    Yeah, I really miss playing on the road! Even though it was a miserly lifestyle, the people you meet, & the places you go is very exciting!

    There is nothing more exciting than having your heart racing at 100 miles per hour, KNOWING that if you miss a ball, or lose a session......You might not eat! Lol.

    Definitely NOT for the feint of heart! LIONS ONLY!!! Just think......When I find a winning way with the Casinos.......POOF........ old Top gone like a puff of smoke, MAYBE occassionally posting on the forum to say Hello!

    Won't be revealing any secrets, though, & you can bet your sweet ass on THAT!

    See you at the Top!
     
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  19. betwthelines, Dec 26, 2016

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    really? could-a fooled me...'pparently have.

    i skim over/ignore virtually all DI posts about techniques or theories or tosses or sets or schools of thought or and most especially DI feuds and pissing matches...in general i have little to no interest in the actual details of these delusions and rarely weigh in on it---and never other than irascibly satirical (cf the "ballerina toss")

    but your refreshing posts, top, are an exception to that...your down-to-earth, common sense, brutally honest anecdotes are a breath of fresh air and almost always read by me (well, ok, your infrequent joining in with the pissing matches may be an exception)...notwithstanding your bow to DI, ascribing your take on things as "delusional" is actually a stretch...really, in your case i don't think i can actually go with such a characterization anymore.

    just sayin'

    but really? you haven't revealed any secrets? maybe you are just being modest.

    tom p
    -g. geist: why don't you ask him then what are some of those secrets?
    --tom p: lol
     
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    Now THAT reply begs the question -

    Do YOU also like hearing about life at the craps tables ?

    Dave,

    Suffice it to say -

    YOU are a MAJOR disappointment -

    I never envisioned that YOU could be such a total fucking dick -

    I expected and was NOT disappointed with TDVegas nor T G Parker -

    However -

    Never expected THAT from YOU !

    Best Wishes !

    $...eE..$
     
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