# On Axis Classes biggest nightmare!

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1. DeMango, Dec 25, 2016

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WRONG WRONG WRONG, one more time.......WRONG! Of 576 permutations, 44.44% are on axis results.

Jesus, Mary and Joseph. How much longer will I have to put up with ye?

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2. Twelve4s, Dec 25, 2016

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About another 12 hours or so?

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3. DeMango, Dec 25, 2016

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The math is so simple, yet they screw it up.....smh

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4. Linaway, Dec 25, 2016

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Demango,

Ye will have to put up with me as long as you keep making statements that have not been explained.

What you and others are saying is one thing and the readers see it as another. They believe that no matter what axis you preset in, 44.44% of the outcomes will be on axis.

To quote you…

WRONG….. WRONG….. WRONG

Nobody I have ever seen has shown where the number 16 and 36 comes from in the equation being used nor are they identified.

16 comes from a single die having 4 die faces in the tossing plane multiplied times the mirrored die also having 4 die faces in the tossing plane as well.

This makes 16 permutations all having 4 DIE FACES. They can occur only when the rotational axis remains the same for all 16 outcomes and those 16 ONLY!

Where did the 36 come from? They just like the 16 permuted numbers came from 6 die faces times 6 die faces giving us 36 PAIRED die faces. Again, these 36 unlabeled faces were not named. They are not from the table of 36.

Here’s why. Know that the 16 numbers are precisely what is in a SINGLE AXLE VARIABLE which the equivalent is 1 AXLE VARIABLE, NOT 16!

The value of 36 has now become permuted as well. Since we are using die faces for the 16 and giving them a label, we now can give the 36 a label. They are as permutations now and 36 total possible AXLE VARIABLES!

One AXLE VARIABLE DIVIDED BY 36 AXLE VARIABLES * 100 =2.77% ON AXIS!!!!!!!!! Not 44.44%.

We now are dealing only with permutations. Now we can put into perspective your 44.44%.

16*36=576 ON AXIS…should be explained that this is for all 36 axle variables!

16/576*100=2.77% is ON AXIS FOR A SINGLE AXLE VARIABLE!

So, Koko is right in what he said,

You’re right in what you said,

I am right by defining basically where this all came from.

Each one of us gets a candy cane and not a lump of coal in our sock hanging from the fireplace mantle.

MP and all he has quoted or all who has quoted him needs to get their minds right and cease portraying things they cannot backup or support.

Now let’s all go eat our candy canes and wish one another a very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

Wizard of Ks.

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5. gargoil, Dec 25, 2016

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Now you want to stir things up between Snake and I. Except we are adults and buds and we talk more than you actually play in the casino. The fact is we don't see eye to eye on some things but that's okay.

You are still a childish two faced ignorant person who has nothing better to do then come on the forum and stir shit. so YOU deal with that.

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6. Edward-ky, Dec 25, 2016

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Maybe you 2 should get a room.

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7. Twelve4s, Dec 25, 2016

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What are you suggesting?

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8. DeMango, Dec 25, 2016

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Linaway: Didn't read your post, didn't need to. You say there are 576 combinations. I look merely at 16 combinations out of 36 that do not contain a one or a six, assuming we set the dice on the 1/6 axis. If you multiply by 16 for whatever purpose, good for you. There will be 256 combinations that do not contain a one or a six. 44.44% on axis results, the ones the casino pays on, the ones I care about. Spin it however you want to the number is 44.44%

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9. Linaway, Dec 25, 2016

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You didn't read the math, you say you didn't need too. For shame. TDV and OAP will be on you link stink on doo doo! Not to mention the other math gurus.

If you don't like the explanation or the math, do the mechanics. You will wind up with 576 four faced dice sets.

Keep in mind that axle variables are not equal in the axial arrays containing 4 sevens or 2 sevens.

These 7's don't ever go away. The Table of 36 merely shows you how the 7's can be displayed. No numbers in this table are permuted. There are 96 possible ways they can occur when doing Ordered Combinations. If that is Greek to you, I suggest you do some study on cubes in motion and a bit of geometry.

Nowhere in the math I gave you did I say the 44.44% value didn't exist. It does, but it covers all Axle Variables, not just one. Yet I find fault with the equation. The numerator in the 16/36 is in error. It should be 1, not 16. 1 Axle Variable contains 16 permuted numbers.

All Axle Variables contain within their Ordered Combination 16 possible numbers. There being 36 axle variables, then 16 *36=576 permutations. Hence the total quantity of 4 faced dice sets.

Take the 3236 3V dice set. That is an Ordered Combination and the Axle Variable is LOCKED IN at 1*6 and 2*5. That which is looking at you is 2 and 6. Use the YZ axis as the 4 permuted die faces or the X axis as 1*6/2*5.

Any outcome that does not show the 1*6/2*5 as the rotational axis, the outcome is off axis. You can only have 2.77% of the total numbers possible in the 576 permutations for a single Axle Variable. Anything else you see at outcome will not be on axis.

By the way, that will be 97.23% will be Off Axis, not 44.44%. Or you could show that 35 Axle Variables were off axis. 35 Axle Variables*16=560 permutations Off Axis! IMO, what is causing the disparity is the 16/36. If it read ONE axle variable, the equivalent of 16 permuted numbers, divided by 36, the confusion would disappear. 1/36*100= 2.77%. Ignore all of this if that's what you must do. The Dice Facts have been shown.

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10. Twelve4s, Dec 25, 2016

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This is hurting my head,

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11. Linaway, Dec 25, 2016

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12'4's.

For some time it was said I wouldn't show transparency or explanation. Okay, here it is. Boring but factual. I was challenged and responded. Not nice to mess with a Wizard.

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12. Twelve4s, Dec 25, 2016

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Not boring at all. Makes me feel like when I sat in on an advanced calculus class. Being a guy who barely made it through algebra 2.

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13. Dave G Ct, Dec 25, 2016

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DeMango
I have to agree with you with regards to the Linaway post.

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14. Dave G Ct, Dec 25, 2016

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TD sort this out .I am bisieged by highwaymen,tricksters, and a " self appointed DI insteuctor- better know as " Water Boy"
. . I put up a thread asking for the DI crowd to explain " on axis" shooting in face of these slow motion videos- They CAN NOT. Oh they have secret videos they do not want to come to light? Give me a break! If they had them they would use them to drum up much needed interest.Water Boy is living in a fantasy thinking the DI schools actually toss true on axis..A Pipe Dream_ ask Top- SR- Koko- Linaway.They back me up.
Now Water Boy you say nothing about Snakeyes throwing Heavy underthe bus with his entire class.Cat got your tongue?
My thread stands on its own.Answet the question or take a hike.No need for more of your boring tirades.You and Irish deserve each other.Too pathetic bullies.
Does not work here .

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15. gargoil, Dec 25, 2016

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Hey Dr. Dave, why don't you take a dump in your shoe box. Since that's all it's good for. I am not a self appointed DI. It's not my fault I am good at something you will NEVER be good at. However I will call you out for what you are. A two faced instigator who has nothing better to do thas to come here and spew lies and nonsense. All of a sudden out of the blue you bring up the videos that SR put up and you are asking the "DI" community to answer. No one is talking about any secret videos. I told you before no one is going to put up a video of their toss so quit asking.

As far as Snake eyes and myself, Unlike you, I don't hide behind the keyboard. I actually have his number and we talk on the phone. I resolve issues with people on the phone or face to face. Speaking of face to face, who have you met lately from the forum or craps community? Yea no one. But you want to come out here and be all Macho. Hiding behind your keyboard in your mama's attic. Grow Up. You are a TWO FACED piece of turd. Everyone knows that. Now you want TDV to get involved in these conversations. Again stirring up shit. That's all you are good at. So go have sex with yourself. Nothing worst in the world than a two faced person.

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16. Dave G Ct, Dec 25, 2016

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Water Boy
Losing your cool. Could care less no one from these hollowed " boards " seen me play.Your diatribe and \$1.89 gets a small cup of Dunkin Donuts coffee. You are a joke with your name calling- judging by your posts you are not even funny just sad.Go find a board where you are relevant.Go and comfort " Shakes' and your fellow lemmings.As Irish found out you can call me names but I will put you in lights and make a joke out of you for all to see.

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17. gargoil, Dec 25, 2016

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Blah Blah Blah Dave. That's All I hear. Blah Blah Blah. You are the joke that all is seeing. People on here know me and have met me.
We all know you are a joke. Why don't you post your skipping toss into your shoe box video again so that we can all laugh again.

Blah Blah Blah Dave,

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18. Dave G Ct, Dec 25, 2016

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Hope you are not a lawyer.Your statements argue a " lack of wit" Rather trade with Larry S - at least he is knowledgeable and can actually hit back without calling names.Well what does one expect from a Water Boy who has lost all credibility by backing up Irish.Got better things to do tonight than engage in " lightweight city" lol

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19. tabletop123, Dec 25, 2016

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Gentlemen, Gentlemen.......tis the season to be jolly, & in good Spirit!! Enjoy your holiday with family & friends, maybe a short stint at the Casinos winning some \$\$\$\$, & kick back like a Big Mac!

Life is too short for all of the back & forth bickering! What difference does it make if someone doubts you?

I have PERSONALLY cancelled EVERY event that I was scheduled to attend! No one has EVER seen me shoot, but YET I profess to have one of the best tosses in the country!

Cannot prove it, will NOT prove it, but ya think Old Top gives a flying Fuck if someone believes me or. Not? Why the admiration, & constant thirst for credibility by most Di's?

Seems to me that it would be MUCH wiser to be Labeled as a complete fraud, as you QUIETLY continue to withdraw money from the Casino's Vault!

Never expected a bunch of Di's to constantly seek credibility! I'm okay though........Just label Old Top as a complete fraud ( if you haven't already done so! Feels good NOT to be important!

Happy Holidays, peace on the forum! See you at the Top!

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20. Dave G Ct, Dec 25, 2016

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Merry Christmas Top
Will be playing in a week.Yes I could care less who has seen me play.But I hate attacks with childess name calling.Especially from " Shakes" camp.lol

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