On Axis Classes biggest nightmare!

Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by Dave G Ct, Dec 24, 2016.

  1. $nakeEye$, Dec 26, 2016

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    Dave,

    As Christmas is now over -

    I wish to take this opportunity to inform you -

    There is NO - Santa Claus !


    I intentionally waited until after you opened up your Red Ryder wagon and had time to play with same -

    Prior to telling you this -

    I did NOT want to see you crying on Mommy's shoulder when you found out !

    However, there comes SOME TIME in everyone's life -

    That they need to grow up and move on and actually face reality !

    $...eE..$
     
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  2. $nakeEye$, Dec 26, 2016

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    SuperRick might have them on the run as you so say -

    However, according to substantiated rumor / verified fact -

    YOU got the BOOT !

    $...eE..$
     
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  3. DeMango, Dec 27, 2016

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    Exactamundo! And in the long run it WILL change things at the table, for the worse.
     
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  4. TDVegas, Dec 27, 2016

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    Well, this is where I grow confused with you. If what you say here is true....then how do you claim to be a skilled shooter? What does it matter how someone shoots (throws) the dice.....IF (as you say) "the dice bounce all over the place"......?

    Seems to me you are making the case that the game, the dice are random.
     
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  5. superrick, Dec 27, 2016

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    You have my phone number as you know it's too damn cold to go out right now, but I do have to drive over to Cal. today just give me a call and let's take this off of the board!
     
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  6. HornHiYo, Dec 27, 2016

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    I could understand it if I were a purse holder and someone wanted to pursuade me to give them a grub stake. I can understand the Snake Oil Salesmen Trolls saying those things to hook a sucker.
    But I don't understand the value in trying to convince a number of people on a craps website of something that most could not care less about.
     
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  7. superrick, Dec 27, 2016

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    There are no DI's as everybody thinks of them, there are only guys that will sell you BS on-axis shooting that does not work!
     
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  8. HornHiYo, Dec 27, 2016

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    Heavy, HRR, Dice Coach, Dom, Dr Z, Little Joe Snake: Six of one and a half dozen of the other.

    Probably all good guys that love to play and win and they all think that their style is best.

    Frankly I believe that they are all right in that their shot definitely works. One claims he tells it like it is "warts and all"; The good outtIngs and the bad.
    But none tell that their results (good or bad / wins or losses) are simply random outcomes.
     
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  9. TDVegas, Dec 27, 2016

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    I would agree. They all win and they all lose. The on axis crew is no different than the off axis crew. None have any real "evidence" that "their way" works better.

    I find it comical that someone says "his shot" gets better results than someone else. They all win and lose.

    At some point or another...everyone is a good shooter. Good luck differentiating between a good shooter and a lucky shooter. IMO, there is no differentiation.....
     
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  10. HornHiYo, Dec 27, 2016

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    The great Snake Oil Sales diversions:
    this shot better than that:
    this set better than that:
    this school is better than that:
    this cost is better than that;
    this bullshitter is better than that:
    this bet is better than that:
    this DI better than that:

    But there is no proof any of the above achieve better than random results.
     
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  11. gargoil, Dec 27, 2016

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    So there are lucky shooters and "luckier" shooters? Nobody can be a good shooter? Consistency is not a factor?
    So you are saying if you have a long roll today then you were lucky, another one tomorrow and you are luckier again. A third one the day after and now you are just plain Awesome lucky. And GOD forbid you have a good roll on the fourth day because then you are a Leprechaun. I mean you have a horse shoe up your ass. But no you are not a good shooter?

    Just trying to understand where you are going with this. Unless you are saying that no one can have four good days at the craps table.
     
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  12. TDVegas, Dec 27, 2016

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    Sure..I've won 5 sessions in a row. Maybe even more.

    By your own admission, you're not an everyday player nor even a regular player...say 2-3 times a week. You don't even live in a a state offering craps, right?

    If, each and every time you arrive in Vegas...you are a guaranteed winner...?

    I don't think even the most gullible believe that.

    You win, you lose. Maybe have a good year. Maybe a not so good year.

    If you say it's beyond that and you're so good that your Las Vegas visits are simply withdrawal visits...then you're getting into James Hall talk---and no one really believes much of that.

    If you say this is what you do...you have no need to convince me. I wouldn't even bother trying.
     
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  13. gargoil, Dec 27, 2016

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    No you are correct TDV I don't live in a state where they offer a casino. I actually visited the casinos less this year than last year (28 times). I do keep track of the number of sessions I play and I don't win every one of them. I also keep track of win vs. loss of the session.
    Now get this Last year I played more but my "luck" ratio was 77% based on my session / win loss tracking. This year my "luck" ratio was a whopping 90%. No I am not using the casino as my ATM. I have had some losses but again based on my session numbers and win loss tracking I won 90% of the sessions. (432 sessions won to be exact)

    Now Am I a guaranteed winner every time I go to the casino? NO. If I have played more this year could my loss column be higher than win column? Could be. But I played 530 sessions last year compared to 480 sessions this year so not sure 50 sessions will make a difference but even so I still had a good year. But I guess I am just lucky?
     
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  14. HornHiYo, Dec 27, 2016

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    Can you bottle some of that luck and share it?

    I have played pro blackjack successfully for years. The system I use gives me a positive mathematical advantage over the house. Yet each time I win I feel lucky to have won.
    I feel lucky that I got ahead early years ago and have stayed ahead.

    I feel especially lucky every time I win in a negative expectation game such as craps.

    In craps I feel lucky to have good table conditions, lucky to have the right crowd, lucky to get my favorite spot at the table, lucky that whatever I'm doing / throwing seems to be working, lucky to get repeating numbers that have my chips on them, lucky to regress bets at just the right time, lucky to recoup my investment and press winnings early in the game, lucky to be playing during positive variance.

    Being lucky beats unlucky in my book and I'll take all the luck you care to discard or share. :)
     
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  15. twodicebilly, Dec 27, 2016

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    When in the world you going to admit your full of crap.

    The other day you indicated you cant do 72 rolls with less
    than 12 sevens... I showed you it can be done..

    I just went to my table again to show your still full of crap. here are
    another 72 rolls

    12,8,5,3,10,12,9,9,10,3,9,10,7,10,3,10,7,7,9,9,5,11,5,6,3,5
    7.11.8.9.3.11.3.7.8.2.8.6.8.6.3.6.6.8.4.7.6.6.4.9.4.6.9.6.5.8.6.5.2.7.10.10.3.8.4.6.7.11

    If I counted correctly that is 8 7's or 17 in the past 144 rolls.

    You have admitted you cant do that, and still you keep on with the
    nonsense that there is no difference. A guy like you rolls a seven
    every 6 rolls will never beat a guy that is better than you are.

    Surely sooner or later you will see that.

    twodicebilly
     
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  16. TDVegas, Dec 27, 2016

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    First off...NEVER said anything can't be done. You wanna pull the post where I said no one can roll less than 12 sevens in 72 rolls. Hint, hint...no such post exists.

    Tomp is willing to take a wager that you cannot do this IN FRONT of him or his appointed witness. I believe he's willing to do an even money wager. 12 is no winner. Less than 12, you win. More than 12, you lose. Posting your roll results is not a valid demonstration. Ya gotta do it with either him or me documenting. Understand?

    Second...in what world do you think listing a bunch of numbers is "showing" anyone what you can do? They have to witness it. See it. Watch it happen.

    I've already stated...I'll put my non skilled toss up against anyone in an SRR challenge. Won't do it for $2,000 or $5,000 but will do it to prove a point. There are no skilled shooters. Shit man....I've offered it to Rick. It sounds like he doesn't want to do it. I understand why. I'm not the one who will look ridiculous if this no skilled, never shoots dice guy beats an experienced "skilled" shooter. I'm willing to take the chance I win.

    What if Rick or a skilled shooter loses to me?....
    What then?

    If you guys win...I'll concede your greater skill was the reason.
    If you lose....what do you say? Gonna need an answer before I agree to a challenge.

    Can't say I'm lucky...then you are admitting craps is luck, not skill. The only thing you could say is I'm more skilled than you....and I don't even play. How's that gonna look? LOL.

    I've got a 50/50 shot to beat anyone here in any type of skilled shooter challenge....and I possess NO SKILL whatsoever.

    You just can't comprehend the game of Craps is luck. Can't help you there. The only one full o crap...is you. If you're fishing for me to admit that you're a skilled shooter better than me....ain't gonna happen, bud.

    Toms challenge awaits your agreement. He and I will be here in Vegas in January. Get on a plane.
     
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  17. Dave G Ct, Dec 27, 2016

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    I am fore going the term DI.There are astute players and average players.Using terms like Randie & DI invite friction as you see.These schools dwell into their followers that their way is superior and by following their model you will be successfully.Most board members are net minus.But they still talk up a storm.
     
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  18. twodicebilly, Dec 27, 2016

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    you said.....You just can't comprehend the game of Craps is luck. Can't help you there. The only one full o crap...is you. If you're fishing for me to admit that you're a skilled shooter better than me....ain't gonna happen, bud.
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    Well I already know the game is luck, that is what makes up very long
    rolls... but when one person average 8-9 7/s in 72 rolls and you are at
    12 or more, that difference is not luck.

    If thought for even a minute that when I go place my money at the table
    the only thing I can count on is luck, I would stay home.

    As far as being better than you..... well we have already seen the answer to
    that...... anytime you want to throw 144 rolls go for it, and if you did beat
    me I would not call you a liar, I would not say hey they don't count unless
    I see them, I would say "great job" because I know how hard this is. You
    being better than I am would not change my game at all. My ego is not
    wrapped up in you, like your is in attacking others.

    twodicebilly
     
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  19. HornHiYo, Dec 27, 2016

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    If Tiger Woods told you how he hits the ball, could you do it like him?

    What is a good craps shooter?
    One who shoots like Heavy says to?
    One who shoots like Howard says to?
    One who shoots like Dominator says to?
    One who pays over a grand for a self appointed expert's opinion on how to play?
    One who spends countless hours throwing dice at home?
    One who learns to throw mirror image dice?
    One who learns to throw off axis dice?
    One who consistently hits the same spot on the table?
    One who shoots like Patricia Demauro?

    Which ones win?
    They all do when playing during a positive variance cycle for their bet of choice. BAR NONE!
     
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  20. TDVegas, Dec 27, 2016

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    As I said...my opinion is I have a 50/50 chance to beat anyone at any time, any place, any table. I say that ONLY because my belief is that craps is a random game with random dice outcomes...and there is no physical skill in craps.

    You see the dice bounce around---you really have to self delude to believe there is some kind of control or influence over what appears on top when the dice have finished their bouncing around.

    All that matters though...is you what believe. What I believe has no bearing on you.
     
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