On Axis Classes biggest nightmare!

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  1. Dave G Ct, Dec 24, 2016

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    Has to be SR campaign of slow motion videos which show that true on axis tossing is very rare.The On Axis DI forums have never successfully answered his shot across their bow.Just deflect it " sort of" You can thank SR for the drop in attendance for these casino DI events.Except for alumni support the picture for new converts is on a downward slope.Criticize SR but who can refute him? Now I know the 2&3- V works for me- cannot really explain it though.Just giving SR his just do! He tells it like it is.
     
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  2. tabletop123, Dec 24, 2016

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    Finally......
    A good post, Dave! People (myself included) wanted to believe in "On Axis" soooooooooo bad, that they threw Common sense out of the window!

    JUST imagine.......Two dice being tossed 7-9 feet down a table, hitting, tapping, kissing, etc the pyramids & NEVER flipping over off of the pre-set configuration prior to the toss! Lol.

    Now, dice may tumble, yaw, & flip BACK to a pre-set configuration, but RARELY will they result EXACTLY as your pre-set configuration!

    When I first began my journey, I actually thought dice could be tossed & NEVER flip off of their Axis! What a friggin joke!

    When I had the opportunity to view slo-mo videos, & the gyrations that the dice experience before finally coming to rest........Made me want to Puke!

    Now, dice Do, & will result in the top numbers that you pre'set for, but the journey that they experience to "Get There" is VERY discouraging! It is what it is!
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  3. Dave G Ct, Dec 24, 2016

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    I must admit - they have no answer! I believe in those dice sets but really do not know why they work.
    You know as well as I do if they could demonstrate On Axis they would.What better advertisement than a video showing true On Axis.
     
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    Wrong! They DO have an answer! They simply cannot reveal it because they would continue to lose students FASTER than they already have! TRYING to toss "Off Axis" is not the answer either!
    Why? The dice are MEANT to go "Off Axis" NATURALLY!

    You don't need to try to influence something that's gonna happen A LARGE MAJORITY of the time, anyways!

    Toss the dice in tandem, hit the spot that you intend to hit, & know what your dice are doing!

    That is ALL that a person TRYING to influence the dice can do! Yes, you need to know your dice Sets, but making adjustments "on the Fly" will serve you well!

    Guess what the BEST adjustment is.......Completely walking away & NOT second guessing yourself when your toss aint working!

    Sometimes the best looking, & landing tosses can be losers, because influence is NOT constant for the very best looking tosses!

    Influence is only a "umpth" better than random! NOT much "Wiggle" room, & that's just the way it is!
     
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  5. Dave G Ct, Dec 24, 2016

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    Good information Top!
     
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    YAWN. This again?
     
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  7. gargoil, Dec 24, 2016

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    Dave Seriously??? And you wonder why you and Irish on Heavy's board do not get along. It's because he puts you in your place every time you post nonsense stuff on Heavy's board. You can't advocate DI on that board while knowingly you post things against DI on this forum. You can't have it both ways. You are too faced man. Face it (punt intended).
     
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  8. Dave G Ct, Dec 24, 2016

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    Merry Christmas
    . Fine can you give an explanation about those slow motion videos because no one else can.
     
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    Know what you are talking about before you talk about it. The entire thread is a straight insult to HEAVY and the classes he offers and you are stating the #1 reason for the student decline is because of the Videos SR has been posting. Those videos have been around for a long time and it has never affected the sign ups.

    However I will tell you the reason why HEAVY's attendance has dropped almost to nothing.
    1- He is too nice of a person and he trusts too many people. I have told him this in person on the phone so it's not like I am talking to him behind his back. He needs to move away from the self proclaimed GOD of Craps HRR. HRR has stolen students from the class under his nose. He back-stabbed him but yet HEAVY feels like he still owes him something. HRR is a has been that posts fake numbers and fake trip reports and his credibility is dying. HEAVY does not need to associate himself with him.
    2- The after glow sessions that students end up losing money. It's not HEAVY's fault. I blame the students. They take one class and think they now have super powers and can conquer all tables with a simple on axis shot. These people are delusional.

    The fact that no good trip reports have come from the recent classes doesn't help marketing the next class. I like HEAVY and he and I are buds and we talk a lot. I just hate to see him get screwed by the likes of HRR.

    Now those are facts that I can prove and that is the reason for the decline in students. Not the videos so again Dave you post crap that you know nothing off.

    Now as far as an explanation to the slow motion video, sure I can give you one but then again it's more fun to show how two faced you are when you claim DI and you claim you have a good on axis shot and practice (on HEAVY's forum) but you come here and talk about SR's videos. Grow up.
     
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  10. Dave G Ct, Dec 24, 2016

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    Yes Heavy is a nice person. We agree on that. But DI classes have been declining .Probably due to in depth discussion on various dice forums.Then again there is the lack of success many attendees have lacked.Yes I do use an on axis set and have done very well.But I cannot explain why it works.True on axis results are rare.
    .You still have shed little light concerning those videos.Show me one DI class which can show you one.They are non existent.
    I had asked Irish to explain them.He passed the buck by saying some nonsense about SR.What about that Darksiders Ball Traversty? Sort of disappeared out of sight.Just like his video .You want to put up with it- fine.But several posters there reached out to me thanking me. You have 1500 members and 50 may post.Why? Maybe Irish is the reason.BTW Top agrees with me.Donot see you questioning his views.Cannot have it both ways.
     
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    To put it as simply as possible, AND using the math of the dice to do so, on-axis expectation is as simple as 16/576 x 100 = 2.78%.

    There are PLENTY of things I do NOT know about the game of craps.

    One thing I do know is that on-axis results DO NOT happen 97.22% of the time.
     
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  12. Dave G Ct, Dec 24, 2016

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    Agree but you will get additional On Axis outcomes with the 2-V.Why? Above my pay grade
     
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  13. gargoil, Dec 24, 2016

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    You are muddying up the water again. This entire thread is a waste of time. My point is why bring it up to begin with. How are you helping the craps community with such a thread? Your goal was to attack HEAVY. Period.

    I have been at the tables with SR and he has seen my toss and I do keep them on axis. He and I agree on lots of things including the fact that MOST people WILL NOT keep the dice on axis. The reason why you don't see it in DI classes is because we are not stupid to put out pictures and videos of our tosses. Yes they are non existent but by choice. Several people on this forum who have met me has seen my toss. Speaking of meeting people, have you ever met HEAVY? Have you EVER taken a class from him? Then why do you keep attacking him? I understand you don't like Irish but I don't get why you attack HEAVY? Again this entire thread and several others you put up are direct attacks on people that simply do not exist on this forum. Again I say to you... Grow up.
     
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  14. KokomoJoe4, Dec 24, 2016

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    Dave,

    We have tried to discuss this ad naseum.

    I will not argue with your results and in fact believe what you say about your success when shooting.

    All I am saying is that [2][2], [4][6], [5][5], and [3][1] results DO NOT assure that you have ended on axis.

    PS, trust me - I could stand beside you with a pair of dice and in a matter of 5-10 minutes could give you visual proof that what I say is true, but then I'd have to kill you. :eek: (just kidding).
     
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  15. gargoil, Dec 24, 2016

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    I am just going to say this once and I am not responding to anymore stupid questions from you Dave. I have met most of the people you are talking about. I spent a long time on the road with HRR. When you spend time with someone, you get to know them for who they really are.

    Now you have NEVER met anyone but you keep posting crap about them. You keep coming up with these stupid threads about NOTHING. You have shown your childish behavior and your incompetence to comprehend simple words. So here is a final advice from someone who has lived long and seen a lot. Be careful of what you say and who you say it to especially when you can't back it up with facts and have no leg to stand on. ANYTHING I have ever said here or to others in person I was able to back it up and provide facts when I met them. Even when I get insulted or have a discord on the forum I first ask them to provide facts (a link to the post or something). Before you spew nonsense in the future, make sure you have your facts right.
     
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  16. Dave G Ct, Dec 24, 2016

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    I am not attacking Heavy.Maybe he should have a word with his moderator and tell him to treat people fairly.No there are no videos of true on axis shooting.Even MP agrees it is rare.You have on axis OUTCOMES.True on axis shooting is like Koko and Top stated- Is a Pipe Dream. Hey you are successful- do not try to infer more into it.
     
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    My facts are right.I have never lied once about my play period.
     
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    Nice to see you BigBen how are the cars and your game? Anyway, Merry Chrismas and look me up if you ever get out here!
     
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    Hey Dave how much heat do you get when you color up that 5 dollar win. Do they look at you strange when you push that red chip to the dealer and ask to color up! Just kidding merry christmas
     
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