Oklahoma Card Craps

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  1. rudeboy99, Sep 15, 2015

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    A good number of the tribal joints do collect an ante or fee for your spot at the game. Talk about highway robbery! Quite a few charge the customers full price for any beverage service as well.:(
     
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  2. wonko33, Sep 15, 2015

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    So step back from table during come out roll and jump in for your come bets after.
     
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  3. BostonDice, Sep 15, 2015

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    If you don't participate in the come-out roll, you have to pay the $1 ante as soon as you make any bet. There's no way around it haha.
     
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    Yeah Seminole Hard Rock here only gives free water or soda...gotta buy your drinks...and they raise the price $1 at 11pm...so my Bud costs $4 at 10:59 and $5.50 at 11 o_O but you don't have pay an ante at any table game to play...except Texas Hold em.....and they only have bubble craps if you want to play craps :cool:
     
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  5. The Midnight Skulker, Sep 16, 2015

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    So the cards get shuffled only when the dice are passed to the next shooter (i.e. while the base dealers are cleaning up)? That does not seem to me like it would slow down the game at all. It also would allow players to determine just what roll(s) they were hoping for (INCOMING! :eek:) and a DI to figure out what set(s) to use.
     
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  6. wonko33, Sep 16, 2015

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    I heard a story about card craps in CA, I think it was on "you can bet on that podcast "- the dealer draws a green card and a red card, both color deck have 36 cards with the proper distribution of number from 2-12.

    The "shooter" has a green dice with only 5s and twos on it and a red dice with only 4 and 3s on it. Shoot and the higher dice decides which card will be turned over. They were quick to notice the futility of the red dice since the green card is chosen if the green dice is 5 and the red card if the green dice is 2. That would drive me nuts, I think I would have to mention it every roll.
     
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  7. wonko33, Sep 16, 2015

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    So you're saying I'm not the only smartass that plays craps and tried this? What a surprise :) Here I thought I was becoming an advantage player.
     
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    yes sir!
     
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  9. BostonDice, Sep 16, 2015

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    Ladies and gentlemen, without further adieu, Oklahoma Card Craps:



    The stick shuffles the deck and places it in a little box. He pushes the deck to the "shooter" who inserts a cut card into the deck. The stick then brings the cards back to the center and shows the card above the cut, which will display one of the possible 36 dice combinations, and that is the call.
     
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    Well that looks slow, boring, and silly...I love how he uses the stick to push the cards to the "shooter"......ugh :rolleyes:
     
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    And you get the privilege of paying an ante to play this terrible looking craps game
     
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  12. BostonDice, Sep 16, 2015

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    Haha it is silly, and that's why I only played for 5 minutes. But to be honest I sort of liked the instant, matter-of-fact turning over of the cards. It was quick and painless when a seven did show. Less dramatic than the dice spinning before they settle, showing a 7, and breaking your heart.

    But to be clear I prefer the real game over the card version any day of the week. Not even a contest.
     
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  13. DeMango, Sep 18, 2015

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    So an ante to play craps and blackjack. That would make baccarrat the best game to play. I know one thing, if there was an ante for bac, you would not find Sum Ting Wong there!
     
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    Winstar gave me this card. I didn't need it because they would show a video roll of the dice on a screen behind the boxman. The game was slower and less exciting than real craps. It's silly that the stickman has a stick and no reason for it. His sole job is to call out the number rolled. I can't say it was a good experience. The table had three 7 rolls after the come out in a row. What's worse, I had to pay a dollar (tax) to place the nickel on the pass line for the come out roll....shameful. I don't even get an opportunity to get that dollar back. It goes straight to their bank. I won't go back even when they get dice. (dice are coming sometime later this year) Apparently, their legislature recently passed a ruling to allow dice and ball (roulette) games.
     

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  15. James Hall, Jun 3, 2018

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    was the dollar a vig?
     
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    Yes. Doesn't make it right though.
     
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  17. tabletop123, Jun 4, 2018

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    A 20% Vig to make a $5 Passline bet? Now, THAT'S what I call " REAL Pimping"! Lol
     
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    I would like to know what the idea is behind disallowing, dice, but allowing the game to be played with cards? What is the rationale? Perhaps it is done at the request of those that will be operating the game. The question remains, why OK with cards, but not with dice. Over the years I've seen dozens of guys that do pretty amazing card tricks, but don't remember seeing anybody do tricks with dice. :) So what answer fits? :cool:
     
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    Paying 20% vig up front? Now, THAT’S what I call “ REAL Stupid”!
     
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    I'm fortunate to live in an area that has multiple casinos offering traditional live craps. There are @9 casinos in Chicagoland, with 3 more within a 90 minute drive. No card craps for me. However, not everyone has a nearby local casino offering traditional live craps. Especially those residing on the wrong side of the fault line in California.

    I wrote about my recent experience with card craps in California a few months ago in another post.

    If you live in California, card craps are the only live craps option in a casino unless you're willing to travel outside the state. Fortunately, at least 1 casino -- Red Haw Casino (Placerville, CA) -- has the process down fairly well. At Red Hawk Casino, six (6) cards (Ace-6, 1 of each) are hand shuffled and then one (1) card is placed face up within each of the 6 rectangle box outlines marked on the table and numbered 1-6. This occurs 1x per shooter, before the first roll. The die value dictates which marked rectangle box is "selected" and the card value in that selected rectangle box is the number "rolled".

    Assume the cards have been hand shuffled and placed in the rectangle box, as follows:

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    On a come out roll, the shooter rolls the dice. Die 1 is a 3 and Die 2 is a 5. The value of the card in the corresponding rectangle box number is what matters; the value of each die is only used to select the appropriate card. Recall in California, dice alone cannot determine the outcome of a game of chance; hence, the use of playing cards. In this case, Die 1 was a 3 and the value of the card in the corresponding box is 5. For Die 2 (rolled 5), the value of the card in the corresponding box is 6. So the number "rolled" is an 11 (5 + 6 = 11).

    In order to roll a hard 8, Die 1 and Die 2 would each have to be a 1 (4, 4) in this example. For a hard 10, Die 1 and Die 2 would each have to be a 3 (5, 5). So you still have to roll a "hardway" to get a hardway, but the 4, 4 showing on the dice might translate to a hard 4.

    So, if you're a DI, this version of card craps is still "playable". However, note that the card values in a rectangular box may be different each time you shoot the dice because after shuffling, the order they are placed into the rectangle box may be different.

    The version of card craps at Red Hawk Casino is light years better than what I had seen at other California casinos back in 2006. The dealers there are actually quite adept at calling out the numbers and there is almost no delay. It's basically a translation game; no shuffling machine (or 2) is used on each roll. Once the cards are set up just prior to the initial come out roll, it's simply a matter of translating the die values into the corresponding card values. While not ideal compared with traditional live craps, under current Nevada gaming influence California law it's arguably the best implementation of craps.
     
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