Ok, how bad did I miss it, and how would you have handled it?

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  1. cmonhard8, Mar 25, 2018

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    Right to the point--- last night, on my third time rolling(after sucking on the first two), I got 2 points, but rolled ALOT of the same number, and probably rolled around 40 rolls....
    According to the guys running the table, I rolled FOURTEEN 5's....I also rolled a number of 4's, but the point was 8, so I was focusing on the 6 and 8 with my money...I only had a few hundred, so I wasn't covering the whole table...Again
    Anyway, the one table guy was whispering 'greatest roll ever', and you could hear them saying how they'd have $2 grand on the 5 at this point etc....After my roll, they were talking about it, they kept making comments about it for an hour or so with their replacement table folks...
    I'll be honest, I USUALLY have not CHASED numbers....In other words, after I establish a point, and roll another number(in this case the 5), I usually don't place it....
    I know some people put a come bet, then odds on WHATEVER that number becomes...A foreign guy at the table did that, and had a $10 dollar 2nd come bet then always added $50 odds, BUT he never upped it either, so he still made almost one grand from all my 5 rolls....
    It's obvious after the roll is half over or over what mistakes were made, BUT let's say you were the foreign guy that had that bet on the 5....How OFTEN would you have raised it, and HOW much would you have done it...In other words, what PROGRESSION would you have used?
    I rolled for around 20 minutes......
     
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  2. Dave G Ct, Mar 25, 2018

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    Happenned to me I was betting 4&10 with ten being the point.Rolled 20 rolls no hits meanwhile the 6 hit around 7 times.Ended up plus $50 on a 30 roll hand.Come betting as in your hand would have triumphed. You know sometimes it is just hard to pull the trigger.If I had the 5 would have gone sane bet then to $25 then 35 - $50 -$75 $100.
     
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  3. Dave G Ct, Mar 25, 2018

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    As for progressions just ask Freddy!
     
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  4. cmonhard8, Mar 25, 2018

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    Hey Dave, I know ALOT of craps players have missed all sorts of great rolls etc, they just don't like or want to admit it......
    Monday morning quarterbacking a ROLL is the easiest thing to do, when you are watching from a distance.

    The more I think about it, those TABLE workers talk the talk, but they WORK at a craps table...If they were as good as they claim, they would all be millionaires, sipping on margaritas from their yachts....At the same time, I don't mind them 'ribbing' me, as perhaps the next time, I won't miss it....
    I also know that IF you have like 1 grand to start with, you would be more aggressive(that foreign guy had over a grand)...
    If, as for ALOT of us, who bring two to three hundred to the table, you have to be more selective......Again, up to that roll, I rolled about as good as a dog with a LIMP, so the idea that I was feeling confident, was anything but reality....
    It was a $10 table....
     
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  5. Dave G Ct, Mar 25, 2018

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    Question why don't you change your betting? Because on the NEXT ROLL you expect to hit your numbers!!!
     
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  6. DeMango, Mar 25, 2018

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    Rappin Captains exponential betting.
    Odds on your come bet go from 5 to 6 to 8 to 11 to 15 to 20 times.
    With that 5, at some point you would have to increase your base bet also.
    Start say $44 inside with a place to come strategy.
     
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  7. cmonhard8, Mar 25, 2018

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    So 20 times your odds would be accomplished within it being rolled 6 times? So with a $10 bet, you would have $200 on the odds? So considering someone rolling a number at least 10 times is somewhat RARE, is the 20 times the maximum odds the most you do?So on the 5, you would be collecting $350 each time, and you wouldn't press it beyond that( at least in your experience)?
     
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  8. James Hall, Mar 25, 2018

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    That was a trend and trends are gold
     
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  9. DeMango, Mar 25, 2018

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    It all depends upon what the odds limitations are at your casino. But those are the odds RC used and he played at a no less than 20X odds table. Obviously you can't do this at a 3-4-5x table. But
    if your casino does not support a buy, vig on win, policy, you are throwing away a lot of money on place 5 & 9. So back on point, your question, the casino usually lets you put (increase) your base, so you can increase your odds.
     
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  10. cmonhard8, Mar 25, 2018

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    Pretty sure they are 20x odds tables, with a maximum wager of $10 grand.....
     
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    Anybody can tell you how to bet a roll that has all ready happened. That's the whole damned problem, you have to place your bet before you know what will be rolled, and they can't tell you that either. :) The best provable bet, H/E wise, is no bet at all. :cool:
     
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    betting 10 on a come and 50 odds is a great place to start.
    if the player (the guy who never pressed) was down a lot of money before he came across your good roll, odds are(pun intended), he was playing very safe, content with winning back money he never thought hed see again that trip or session.
    if I personally walked up to a table and got on a roll where you continuously hit come bets, I would first progress only on my odds.(I prefer 5 dollar tables with 10 times odds so I can start with 50 odds), if I go to a 10 dollar table, I wouldn't start with more than 50 odds on pass plus 2 numbers, a 600-1000 dollar buy in would not support stronger play.
    as for progressing once I start hitting come bets, I would limit my odds pressing to ensure that if a 7 out occurred I wouldn't be forfeiting more than approx. a 1/3 rd of my profit once I nearly double my buy in.
    so if I bought in for 600, once I was up 500 or so, my progression would still be slow, maybe 10 flat with 60-70 odds on 3 numbers.
    once I was up 800 or so, maybe my odds would jump to 80-100 a number.
    once I max out on odds, the flat bets would increase.
    Im not saying 1/3 my profits exactly, nothing is written in stone when I play, but if I was up 500, from start, I wouldn't be betting 10 flat with 150 odds on each number basically risking all my profit on one roll at that POINT.
    I first have to get there, and theres little progression until Im up that 500 or so.

    on the flip side, if I was up 3 grand from previous play that day, my progression would probably be much faster, risking much more of my profit portion of my bankroll.
    (now, I know once its in my rack, its my money, but I also know what I start with and that's my betting gauge, its not just reckless tossing of chips and pressing pressing pressing. )
     
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  13. KokomoJoe4, Mar 25, 2018

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    Great roll hard8, but it sucks not to capitalize on the long roll.

    Can not say I have not done the same, and it sucks to miss cleaning up on such a roll. More than once I have rolled for 15-20 minutes and tossed a lot of numbers, only to end up winning maybe a couple of pass line winners, while the other players clean up on the repeating box numbers.

    Sounds like you play more or less like I do, where we limit the number of bets on the table with the thought that we're not going to lose more than one wager at a time.

    This is a strategy that very few experienced player use, because it makes you appear to be either inexperienced, or a scared gambler.

    I guess that all we can do in this situation is put out another bet or two, but it seems to me that when I do this, the wrong number is usually quick to show. As a result, I keep it at one, maybe two, and progress bet size with the winner.
     
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  14. tabletop123, Mar 25, 2018

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    You could also do the "time betting" thingy. In other words you commence with your normal, one number betting strategy, & every now, & then ( Maybe 5% of the time) you put out a multi-numbered bet ( inside, or Across) for one hit, & down.

    Ya need BS777's "Spidey" senses in order to bet this way! The "nose" knows" thingy!
     
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  15. DeMango, Mar 25, 2018

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    Yup that nose knows, bet what the table will give you before it gives it to you!! The secret of the Mesa crew!
     
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    I did forget to mention, if I was having a rough time losing for the trip or the day or the 2 days, my progression would be much slower, trying to preserve some of the winnings to make up for losses. Not my ideal way to play, but the last few years Ive been playing for quicker hits and along with this guerilla type of craps play small wins are expected.

    I would just love to walk into a casino and find a guy who rolls 40 numbers on my first play.
     
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  17. Mssthis1, Mar 26, 2018

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    The dealers are always almost always going to pull that line. They want you to bet across and go broke quick so they can watch the game on tv.

    Over the long haul a come bet or two will provide you with protection to not miss repeaters like that and also not get killed when the inevitable string of short hands show up. The old dealer saying "last come gets some" makes a huge difference over time.
     
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  18. James Hall, Mar 26, 2018

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    One thing you may want to think about , relative to the come bet , is the fact that when you have a long roll such as you had
    with as many repeaters as you had , the come bet decreases your win . To collect on a come bet each number you collect on must be hit twice to collect once
    When you do collect your bet is removed and you start again.
    With 14 fives as an example you would have collected on 7 of them instead of all 14 with presses , a much smaller win on come bets

    When you 7nd out you would have received $5 or $10 depending on what you had on the come at the time
     
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  19. Mssthis1, Mar 26, 2018

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    I didn't notice this part until now. I would have recouped what I had on the layout and pressed approx 50% on each hit after that.
     
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  20. Freddyy, Mar 27, 2018

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    Happens to the best of us to miss a big roll when we get started in the game.

    Just remember one thing when you are at the table. What you put on table vs what you get back.

    If you have a plan but you see a number come up 2-3 times in a short therm. Drop a min wager on it and progress it. I like to use a simple rule. Full press first hit, take second. Half press third, half press 4th, take fifth and the fullpress/collect till you decide to come down or keep going. Looks like 6&8 say 12-30-30-42-66-66-150-150-300-300...
    Or you can go even more aggressive, I like to on 5&9.
    10-25-35-60-100-100-175-300-300.....

    Long hands will pay you ne way. So don’t rush all your profits pressing...don’t forget to collect a few bets too. Oh yeah and as a rule of thumb I would stop pressing my bets at 1000-1500 payout. And just collect more hits on it. Everytime you press you lose two collects in your rack.

    Also, if you get paid 14$ on a bet, for 6$ from your rack you take two more numbers. Remember that one.
     
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