OBAMA!!! The worst President in history.

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  1. Grizzoola, Sep 14, 2016

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    Doesn't give me nightmares in the least! You people have been spewing this takeaway guns shit for most of Obama's term. You either don't realize or don't care this is a nation of laws, and that applies to your Trumpster hero, who promises you he can solve all of not only your problems, but the world's problems in 30 days or less. Get real, for god's sake!
     
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  2. James Hall, Sep 14, 2016

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    read the books , you will know who borak husein O and hilery are
     
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  3. James Hall, Sep 14, 2016

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    it's the dems pushing gun control
    control healthcare
    read the books
     
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  4. Pressit, Sep 15, 2016

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    Sorry for not responding sooner but I was out of pocket for several days.

    So if you took the private sector out of the health insurance, who would step in? The government, correct. And to fund this colossal program it would have to come from taxes, but from whom? The so called rich, big corporations, just level a flat health care tax on all tax paying Americans? What would be the additional tax burden in $$$ for your average family? So how would you fund such a program. You see the massive problems the VA is having, that problem would be 10 times as bad if it included all 330,000,000 Americans.

    Now a lot of single payer types like to point to our Northern neighbor, Canada, and say well it is working there. Yes it does for your skin knees, colds, simple stuff, but if you need a kidney transplant, or any major procedure you are put on a waiting list; we'll call your number when ready. Over in Europe they also have the single payer program, same results, but those who can afford additional private insurance go to the head of the line.

    Although Obama likes to point to the low unemployment rate, you'll notice he never mentions what percentage of that figure is made up from part time employment, and he never mentions the participation rate, which has been bouncing along at near low historic levels for several years, nor the high Fro-American unemployment rate, especially among the youth.

    Now as for taking the private sector insurance company's out of the equation, well at the rate it is going that may become a self fulfilling prophecy, as a number of insurance companies have already dropped out, our plan to drop out, because the number of new members have been far fewer than what was expected, causing the insurance companies to lose money. Why such a low enrollment numbers, cost. You either have low premiums and very high deductibles, or very high premiums with very low deductibles. Either way the cost is, HIGH. The $2500.00 savings never materialized. Just another foolish promised that went along with a Bill which was never read nor fully understood.

    My advise to those who want Big Government to take care of all their woes is move to Sweden. Free everything, school, medical, but it all come at a hefty price in the amount of tax that is collected. As Oprah one asked a Swedish mother when entering her neat but rather small home, 'where is your stuff, flat screen tv, modern kitchen appliances, etc.?' The woman said, 'what stuff, the government has all our stuff. We have no money to buy stuff."

    Not that many years ago my wife and I were vacating up in Camdem, Maine, and we ran into a couple from Germany who wejre both dentist. They were telling us after all the years they spent going to school, cost of equipment, office rent, staff, they only make a portion of what the average dentist makes here in the States, and it all because of Big Government wanting to have full control into every aspect of you life. They said, Americans just don't know how good they got it compared to Europe.

    If you read Obama's book, "Dreams from my Father", notice it says from "from", and not, "of". Obama's birth father was a womanizer, drinker, not reliable, and a anti-colonialist. Yet this is the male figure Obama searched out for. This is where the anti-colonialist part comes out in Obama, as he feels America has been to powerful for way to long, to much of a leader, and to rich when compared to the rest of the world. However, had it not been for our power and might, the world today would look much different than what it does today.

    Those who fantasize of a Solcalist style America, have never lived in a Socialist style country. Many EU countries said when they first heard about ObamaCare, that it was a big mistakes, that the US had the best medical system on earth, why change it? Well OBama's answer to that would have been, "America needs to be more like the rest of the world, we have had it to good for to long."
     
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  5. Grizzoola, Sep 15, 2016

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    Social Security and Medicare are two successful programs run for decades by the Feds. A small addition to the Medicare program to extend it to all Americans. Yes, taxes would increase, but not to the degree that we pay private insurers, who, btw, limit who can receive benefits so that the co's can make a profit.

    Also, the govt needs to negotiate drug prices with a corrupt pharmaceutical industry that has been ripping off Americans since way back when. Big Pharma has to negotiate w/ other social medical countries, like Canada. Why are Americans the suckers for BP profits?

    I believe in free enterprise, but this is ridiculous![/QUOTE]
     
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    Social Security is not a free program
     
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  7. Pressit, Sep 15, 2016

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    Tax payers pay into both programs, and both programs have a dooms date when they are expected to run out of money. So not everyone especially the younger gens are expecting to see any SS benefits. How long does it take for big Pharma to get a drug passed by the government and at what cost. Usually a drug takes years to get approved by FDA, mayor bucks, so how are they, Big Pharma, suppose to make a profit?
     
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    are you saying they are running at a loss in those countries? come on , I get it , you are against ObamaCare, there are a lot of valid reasons to be, but don't come out with a Big Pharma sob story
     
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    Not a sob story, just a fact, for a pharmaceutical to bring any drug online takes years of research study, testing, FDA approval, and then trying to get the public to purchase it. One of the most volatile stock sectors are the pharmaceuticals, as most of their products never see the light of day no matter how promising the claims might sound.

    Obamacare is your typical Big Government program that was made to fail, and they knew it would so they could try to do a end around with a single payer program. Liberals, like Obama, Hillary, love Big Government and there would be no bigger government program than a single payer program run by the government. We could've just like Europe.

    Foreign pharmaceuticals have an easier time to bringing their products online as the don't have our FDA to deal with, unless they want to sell their products here in the US.

    The cost just keeps going higher, but it was never cheap and it is never a sure thing.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...eally-cost-2-6-billion-to-develop-a-new-drug/
     
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    If you took a poll of all those Good Ole Boys, the White faces, I bet 99.9% were Democrates
     
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    Hell didn't Queen Hillary just try to toss old Colin Powell under the bus. Old party habits are hard to die.
     
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    One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

    If you are fighting for your country....you need to go ALL in.

    I don't want/like half-way measures, when fighting for your life.
    I don't want luke-warm.

    Revelations: 3-

    15.... I KNOW THY WORKS, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

    16... So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.


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