NORMAL 7- Out

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  1. tabletop123, Aug 10, 2018

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    Excellent post Billy! You, & I are one in the same...in regards to " The Shot" playing craps.

    Understanding your limitations is not being negative. Its being smart. As I have said many times...I have seen only one person that I would say " has the toss"!
    Guess what? She is NOT a Di. Does not practice. Doesn't even know what the fu**k Dice Influencing is.

    She won't bet more than $5, but out of maybe 200 outings....I have never witnessed her toss more than 4-5 bad hands.
    Granted, I have no idea how she shoots when I am not around. Don't even know if she still plays the game ( As I have NOT been to Cherokee in many moons).
    The only other person that even comes close to this lady is ( G), & I have NEVER witnessed him toss in a Casino.

    One thing that is certain...out of YOUR many years of playing, & witnessing all of the SO-CALLED great shooters ( including Dom, & Stickman), I have never heard YOU speak of a GREAT shooter. Guys that are pretty good shooters? Yes!
    Good shooters that lose? Yes!

    Good shooters that win most of the time? No!!

    Sure, I believe there are some pretty good shooters, but guys talented enough to play for a living? No!!!

    Guys good enough to supplement existing income? Maybe, but if so.....they ain't making " BANK"!

    Like little Joe Green used to say: " Something extra from the tooth fairy FROM TIME TO TIME!
    Now, in Jame's case...I highly doubt if he is a " Vault Assault" player.....BUT....SINCE he has been at the craft since 1966....MAYBE...JUST MAYBE....he MIGHT be the one that we have NOT witnessed....but once again.....I remain HIGHLY skeptical as to his claims.
     
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  2. TDVegas, Aug 10, 2018

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    Very good. As far as "here" goes....unless something is done to fix the resource error problems (this was my 8th attempt to get this posted).....the "here" is going to die a slow death. Or a quick one.

    Not sure if it will be fixed or can be fixed. I dont think Jacob has addressed his plans (if any) here on the forum. My patience (and likely many others) has come to an end. Enjoyable forum. I'll keep up with it and post when something really piques me (if I can)....but as far as regular posting? Lookin bad.
     
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  3. James Hall, Aug 10, 2018

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  4. twodicebilly, Aug 10, 2018

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    tdv


    Maybe the fact that site is in poor condition is a good thing.

    tdb
     
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  5. tabletop123, Aug 10, 2018

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    Come on Billy...don't be mean! Lol
    On a more serious note.....I don't think Jacob has any idea as to what's going on.
     
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  6. TDVegas, Aug 10, 2018

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    LOL....maybe. If it goes the way of the Dodo bird, that'll be it for me. I'm not a member of any other craps forums nor plan to be.

    This was the latest error

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  7. James Hall, Aug 10, 2018

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    I know you are done with me but
    I would hope that you read this post
    You have posted that you are all but giving up
    after 10 years , two of the most negative
    guys on this forum are thrilled to death.
    I would suggest to you that you don't
    fail until you decide to quit , I hate to see you do that
    after 10 years of fighting the battle
    let me tell you something and please read it

    Many years ago I was going to play in a big
    Invitational golf tournament . I was practicing to
    get ready , nothing I was doing was right .
    My swing was off and I couldn't figure out why.

    I went to Houston to talk to the golf pro that
    had trained me . He said get your clubs and
    go to the driving range. He watched me hit balls.
    He handed me some keys and said ,
    "Take your clubs and put them in my locker and lock it".
    I did as he said , I brought the keys back and asked him,
    "So , what are we going to do "?
    He said , "WE are going to take a break"
    I said for how long , "He said for a month" He marked
    on the calendar the day I should come pick up my clubs
    I was in a panic , I said but the tournament starts Thursday"
    He repeated , "Pick em up in a month"
    I was never permitted to argue with him

    I came back on the day determined ,
    We went to the range for what I thought
    was going to be a tuneup . I started hitting balls
    after about the 5th or 6 shots he started walking
    I was confused , I said where are you going
    He said "To the club house , you don't need me"
    I was hitting the ball as good as I ever had
    I went into the clubhouse , he was in the snack bar
    sitting at a table , I sat down ,
    he slid a beer over to me and started laughing
    "He said you have been working too hard ,
    You let a flaw creep into your swing and the
    more you practiced the worse it got
    by laying off , you allowed the muscle memory
    to recover the proper motions"
    Sometimes we do that
    The key is to practice each session till
    we peak , till we get as good a result as we can
    then stop, each practice session we try
    to advance our skill just a bit
    we practice till we peak , always
    ending the session with a really good throw
    Each time we have that really good throw
    we work to remember the feel
    We let that feel BURN INTO OUR MUSCLE MEMORY.
    We need to set the goal practice to peak and stop
     
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  8. twodicebilly, Aug 10, 2018

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    I did not say I was giving up, I said I had to find a way to win given
    the limitations I seemed to have, the limitations I feel most people
    have.

    I dont feel that is negative because you look at baseball, there are a lot of good
    older pitchers that cant throw 95 miles an hour anymore,,,they have to find ways
    to win within the frame work of what they can do.

    That is what I am doing,,,,

    I have watched craps endlessly on my trips and play, and what I have seen is that many
    of the best results by so called dice setters have come by guys that have shots that
    are decent, but not what I would call great. the best rolls seem to be a 7.

    Now the Little Joe shot is a different thing altogether, your dice have to do about what
    they are supposed to do to be effective. But the LJ shot does not suffer the double
    pitch and it offers a much easier way to detect set changes you can make.

    I look forward to the day we can meet in vegas or even Laughlin and play a few rounds
    I am not sure, there must be something in the water lately, but I would even play a hand
    or two with TDV...Top anytime....Demango..no there is not that much water here.

    tdb
     
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  9. tabletop123, Aug 10, 2018

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    Billy...you already know this, but as we age, MOST of us lose that " Pristine" coordination, & superior Motor Skill.
    Case in point: Last week I was monkeying around with the Grandkids. Playing three Card Monte. THAT'S RIGHT.....three Card Monte, & TRYING to show them how Old GrandDad Top used to fleece unsuspecting " Marks" as a kid.
    Wouldn't ya know it......I did NOT have the hand/eye coordination to fool two 3 yr old kids. IMAGINE THAT!!!! Lol

    I can no longer run racks of straight Pool, or Nine Ball as I ONCE did in my prime. Sure, I can still play pretty darn good, but NOT good enough to compete professionally or play Back room gambling matches. That's just the way that it is.

    As we get older the first thing to fade is the eyesight. Soon, thereafter is the nerves/coordination, & FINALLY...the fine Motor skills.
    Now, granted....ya don't have to possess 20/20 vision to toss a pair of dice, but you DO need superior Motor skills in order to CONSISTENTLY influence the dice ENOUGH to consistently win. There is simply no circumvention, anyway that ya want to slice or dice it.
    Here's a thought for ya: You get these teachers Guru's, & self- proclaimed Super Stars that say silly Shit like: You don't need a ton of influence. Just one more 6/8 Per 36 rolls. Just one less seven per 36 rolls....which is very true.
    However, it ain't quite that easy to execute consistently enough for a Monetary gain as we get older.
    Nerves set in. We begin to think too much. Your coordination, & Motor skills just ain't what they used to be.

    It always resorts to: If you were trained properly. Muscle memory. Experience at the game, etc.
    Well...I got news for ya.....those things have a funny way of escaping us as we get older.
    Nope....don't give up!!! NEVER give up. Stay the course. Keep practicing! Just be wise enough, know your limitations, & NOT let some Self-professed Guru get you " busted" with those incessant " You can do it" speeches.

    Some of us can age gracefully & retain MOST of, if not ALL of the fine Motor skills that we once possessed in our youth......MOST of us simply cannot.

    Doesn't mean that we should give up. We simply have to play SMARTER, & simply ignore the bullshit shenanigans that will get us " busted"!
    YOU KNOW your limitations, whether you have been at the craft for ten minutes, ten weeks, ten months, ten years, or FIFTY years......Wager YOUR Money accordingly & NOT the way that some Self-professed Guru says you should!
     
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  10. twodicebilly, Aug 10, 2018

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    I am just a physical specimen ………………:):):):):):):):)

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  11. James Hall, Aug 10, 2018

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    I just read the he above post , addressed to Twodice
    It pretty well defines the difficulties people face
    as they get older and outlines all the varies things
    that make winning so difficult or even impossible.
    I can't help but feel if those attitudes were actually held by people
    they might think twice about even getting out of bed in the morning

    I have been laboring all my life thinking the better
    course of action might be one that plotted ways to win
    I was always taught
    "Don't concern yourself with things that don't work ,
    simply find THAT ONE THING that does and use it to win

    but he lines out several causes for losing
    and at the end suggests that he
    STAY AWAY FROM PEOPLE who tell you that you can win
    and all their positive comments
    and makes some disparaging remarks about being trained
    as tho learning is less than acceptable
    I don't know , I don't understand the attitude
    I know that I do better when I remain positive
    and keep my focus on my goal and just decide to win

    I find that focusing on all the negative aspects
    carries a heavy toll
     
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  12. tabletop123, Aug 10, 2018

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    Lol
     
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  13. eagleeye2, Aug 10, 2018

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    James,

    Very Well Said!

    eagleeye2
     
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  14. eagleeye2, Aug 10, 2018

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    James,

    Very Well Said!

    eagleeye2
     
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  15. tabletop123, Aug 10, 2018

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    New Mattress?
     
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  16. twodicebilly, Aug 10, 2018

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    No one is arguing the points you are making.....certainly not me

    We never go into a fishing tournament trying for second, or hunting
    hoping just to see something....you go all in.

    Craps is the same, I do all I can to beat the table... But a positive
    attitude is in itself not enough. a random guy can go to the table with
    the idea he cant lose and guess what...he not only can, he will most of
    the time.
    You need to have some skill and idea what you are doing and then be
    positive about what you are doing.

    I have a friend that has taken 5-6 GTC classes, he has practiced for years
    until many days he cant raise his arm... and for what to try to make the
    perfect shot.... and he cant
    , and I have seen many others chasing the same dream...If and I say if
    after 10 years of incredibly hard work your shot stays at one level
    it is more than likely going to... so now is where you need to be positive... what can I do, what
    are the good things I bring to the table...how can I be the very best
    player I can be.....

    When I was 50 I got a pretty bad medical condition, pretty much changed my
    life, I like playing craps so I got a table and I found practicing at the table
    helped, gave me something to look forward to, so I took a class, then two classes.
    had some very long rolls. and I looked forward to getting better. Now that medical
    condition is gone....and to be honest, much of that is due to the craps table. so
    I have a lot to be positive about in the game of craps...

    Your attitude about craps is what makes you the type player you are...my attitude
    about how to use my shot and set changes is what makes me the type of player I am.

    A positive approach is the basis for both of us.

    tdb
     
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  17. James Hall, Aug 11, 2018

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    The point I have been trying to make , is not so much about you
    and your attitude as it is the fact that when you , I
    or anybody else posts anything on this forum ,
    the slightest bit positive , the naysayers ALWAYS
    feel the necessity to counter it with a
    "YEAH BUT STATEMENT"
    Example: One of us could say ,
    "Had a good run at the casino last night, my throw was working great
    Then the Yeah but crowd jumps in with
    "YEAH BUT that influence is razor thin and can disappear in a moment"
    They cannot , will not accept a statement for what it is
    They have to tear it apart.
    They have been ridiculing you , Dave and anybody else
    who posts anything positive
     
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  18. James Hall, Aug 11, 2018

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    I love this note from Fred P posted to the administrator
    back in 2016

    FredPCheck my post "James Hall is Eagleeye2".
    Can you verify? Grounds for a ban?

    He's sneaky and tried to get me banned
     
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  19. James Hall, Aug 11, 2018

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    I love this note from Fred P posted to the administrator
    back in 2016

    FredPCheck my post "James Hall is Eagleeye2".
    Can you verify? Grounds for a ban?

    He's sneaky and tried to get me banned
     
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    wrong, the point is , and Id hate to waste my last post here if we cant on tomorrow, but noone knocks anyone for having a good night or long roll.
    the problem is people like you, are just full of fucking shit, we know, you know it, and even the people who, uh, the one person who likes your post, knows it,
    I know you will find a way to drone on and on about what I just posted, as it is the job of an internet troll to do exactlly that, bring up and hash around the same shit over and over and over and over, never contributing anything worth shit, but pulling up threads from 5 years ago to start the cycle all over again.
    this was a great site, di debates and all, until a piece of shit like you started trolling and destroying every single fucking thread.
    And you know its true, I havent met one person here who doesnt like positive stuff posted, not BULLSHIT that you spew out here and a couple of your buddies.
     
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