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Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by eagleeye2, Aug 3, 2018.

  1. James Hall, Aug 9, 2018

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    Then it would be ok if I continue playing
    the way I play? It's OK with you if I set the dice to throw
    I'm a ,"SO CALLED DI" and dice setter
     
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  2. James Hall, Aug 9, 2018

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    My post in response to Liman's tirade about dice setters
    and all that was made to mock his anger about
    how almost no one should be allowed to play
    because he gets so aggravated with them
    I think that he , TDVegas and others use that term
    So Called DIs in an effort to demean people who
    employ DI in an effort to win.
    I don't recall "Your post" utilizing the term ,
    perhaps you also use it in the same way
    I don't recall the post
     
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  3. James Hall, Aug 9, 2018

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    My post in response to Liman's tirade about dice setters
    and all that was made to mock his anger about
    how almost no one should be allowed to play
    because he gets so aggravated with them
    I think that he , TDVegas and others use that term
    So Called DIs in an effort to demean people who
    employ DI in an effort to win.
    I don't recall "Your post" utilizing the term ,
    perhaps you also use it in the same way
    I don't recall the post
     
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  4. TDVegas, Aug 9, 2018

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    "So called DI" was a term invented by Superrick, used exclusively by Superrick here and posted here 100's of times by Superrick.

    Yes, it was likely used by him to demean DI's.

    You really should take it up with him since he invented and used the term.

    I never heard the term until I saw him post. I don't believe I have ever used it.
     
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  5. Bases loaded, Aug 9, 2018

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    Rick played it coy.

    He often sounded like he did not believe in DI. But it was that he believed the majority of folks employing 'DI' were not capable of it.

    "So called DI's"

    He situated himself atop the DI pyramid.

    He later endorsed the Mesa guru after his visit with him.

    I once asked people to declare whether they were DI or not. That went over like Led Zeppelin.
     
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  6. James Hall, Aug 9, 2018

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    Why would people find that offensive?
     
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  7. Liman

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    the di people all hate each other in real life. sure, on here they are all gung ho lets attack anyone who disagrees with our ways, but in real life, every school or teacher will knock any other school or teacher.
    players who di will mock or bad mouth other di players.
     
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  8. tabletop123, Aug 9, 2018

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    I agree with that statement, simply because most Schools, teachers, Guru's THINK that THEIR way of doing things is the BEST way. Either you do it THEIR way, or its the WRONG way.

    The dice must hit two inches in front of the back wall. The dice must be tossed side by side in tandem, etc. If you know ANYTHING about Dice Influencing, then you should know that there are MANY ways to toss the dice & many places to land your Dice.
    You simply go with the toss/landing spot that renders you the most success.
     
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  9. twodicebilly, Aug 9, 2018

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    This because the term DI is meaning less, it means
    nothing what so ever...

    It is only a way for people like Liman and others to classify
    a group of people they dont like or agree with.

    NO matter what you do in life, golf, fishing, bowling, hunting
    trap shooting, playing bingo or what ever if you try to get better
    at what ever pass time you like, you are not called something
    different your still a golfer or bowler.

    See craps is different, if you think there is a way for you to be a better
    player.....now your no longer a Craps player....your a DI god forbid

    Now craps classes had something to do with that.....Frank and Dom said they were advantage players..they are not gamblers.... well you can see through that nonsense...now you get into the discussion of who and what an advantage player is, and do you have to be a GTC player to be one???

    YOU could take any 10 people off this board and place them
    on a table without knowing each other and after a time most would
    get along just fine.....couple of good rolls and they are buddies...

    Now take them off here with the knowledge of who they are...
    and put them together and you may get a different result,not because of who each is, but because of what this site makes
    them out to be. In addition a lot of people assume because a person is a so called DI they are better than others...so they would not answer yes to that question because they dont feel better than
    others, they are just trying to play as good as "they" can.

    There is nothing wring with wanting to be a better craps player,


    tdb
     
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  10. TDVegas, Aug 9, 2018

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    Agreed...but those who believe the game is random, like roulette, like slots----feel that there is nothing you can do to be "a better craps player". At least as far as skill is involved. Strategy is a different animal. There are better strategies.

    Golf, fishing, bowling, etc.....we ALL know there are ways to be better because this has been proven. It's called the PGA tour. Or the Men's pro tennis tour. Or the PBA tour for bowling or Bassmaster tournaments....on and on.

    Certainly you can understand why there is a distinction between those endeavors, sports and craps as far as verifiable skill claims?
     
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  11. TDVegas, Aug 9, 2018

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    Which really should set off a light bulb. If there are so many different ways and “everyone else” is suggesting the wrong way...what’s it really saying?
     
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  12. tabletop123, Aug 9, 2018

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    What a lot of people fail to acknowledge is that craps is NOT like fishing, golf, bowling, pool, etc. Yes....the Mechanics are, but that's where it all ends.
    Craps is designed to thwart a Controlled/influenced toss. You hit a good golf shot, throw a killer shot down the bowling lane, or hit a good pool shot..normally= reward. You are rewarded for your stellar effort.
    Contrary, you can toss many good dice tosses & get nothing but heartache & dissappointment. But, of course the schools, teachers will tell you some bullshit like....your toss was perfect but you twisted your wrist slightly, or you missed your target by 1/16th of an inch. Lol
    This is how they keep their students engaged, & coming back for those refresher classes.
    There is no such thing as an Advantage Craps player. There ARE guys/gals that can toss dice in tandem, & hit a certain target on the table.
    A game that pays less than true odds on EVERY bet, charges you a Vig on every less than true payout ( shares in your winnings), coupled with a pyramid back wall, NORMALLY bouncy surfaces= NO advantage players.
    It all amounts to a few guys that have ( myself included at one time) perfected their tossing mechanics at home, to the extent that they can toss dice as a mirror image, & hit a spot/s on the table with uncanny accuracy.
    With all of that being said....you might as well try SOMETHING to level the playing field because any way that ya slice or dice it.....Casino Craps is designed to separate the player from their money.
    Yes.....you can, & WILL win. However, the "Advantage player", "win most of the time", "Vault Assault", "play when I need money"? Lol.......YOU be the judge!!!!
     
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  13. Liman

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    for twodicebilly:

    first, I never said I dislike di shooters, I said lets ban them from casinos so the game speeds up from the snails pace they've brought to so many tables.

    Ive played with many di shooters here, and elsewhere.


    and for the last time, yes, everyone strives to do something they enjoy better.

    but just because one wants to be great at something, doesn't mean its a possibility. impossible is the correct word.

    trying to roll dice in any way that favors them is impossible.

    ok, wait, some may say nothing is impossible....ok, its about as possible as me becoming the starting quarterback for the steelers.
    or hall jumping out of parkers airplane at 6000 feet without a parachute and surviving, regardless of what he states that he can fly.

    you di theorists like to claim its something that can be done, but there isn't one of you that can actually prove it to anyone or at least put on some kind of display with any consistency.
    throwing a 20 minute hand is not proof, there are just as many random shooters doing that....probably more random shooters would be my guess, but actually, everyone has a random outcome, so just for this post, so we can differentiate those who chose to feel they influence, and those who don't.

    stop making comparisons, its hogwash, and you know it.

    what you might want to say, is it makes you feel good to think you had something to do with winning, and you prefer or feel comfortable setting dice when you play, instead of lets say, rubbing a rabbits foot for luck, wearing the same shirt that is your lucky shirt, etc.......

    di shooting is only a theory without proof? people practice, for their own self satisfaction. In reality, they are not doing anymore than any other shooter, including a first day player or a 40 years players.

    di theorists want others to think they know a secret, but fact is its only a secret in their own minds, and the internet helps those tall tales flourish, that's what the internet is famous for.

    the day the casinos state we are banning dice setting because we are losing money, that's the day we can all give the theory
    credence

    Ill ask 1000 people who go into casinos, they don't have to be craps players, just people who experience casino life, and ask them, what or who do you believe, a casino who hasn't banned the setting of dice because they know they don't have to worry about it, or a bunch of people on the internet who claim they are winning all the time with it......999 will side with the billion dollar casino industry, but theres always that one james hall in the bunch, so Ill give you one.
     
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  14. eagleeye2, Aug 9, 2018

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    Liman,

    Just like BJ, when the BOOK ""Beat the Dealer"" came out the number of BJ players & Casino Take Tripled!!!

    The same Phenomenon has occurred with CRAPS & DI. If, the Nay-Swayers (on this thread) had their way, as Liman proposes, with Dice Setting being Banned, the # of Players @ Craps Tables, would go down significantly. After all, why play if you think that you don't have a reasonable chance of winning???

    Yes, the Casino's needs Randies like Liman & Love to take their $$$!

    eagleeye2
     
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    everyone plays because they want to, and enjoy gambling, the thrill, the adrenaline rush when youre winning.
    if someone is gambling at craps because they know they will win, they are idiots, EVERYONE feels they have a reasonable chance to win, so what does the price of apples have to do with motor oil?

    no one would gamble if they didn't think they stood a chance. Every dog has his day, do I need to say any more clichés?

    and yes, casinos love to take my money, so does the butcher, the dry cleaners, the local pizzeria, the caterer I hired for both weddings, the mc's, even the kids at the local lemonade stand in front of their house.

    and you are 100% right, the casinos need me, and people like me, that's my beef all the time, if they don't cater to me, I wont go into their casino, they need people who will actually gamble, not talk about it on web chat rooms.

    guess what, I just realized, I might be the only person on any craps forum that actually plays craps and loses! imagine that.

    and billy, do you think its some kind of underhanded insult to state casinos love my money?

    I know the truth, and Im sure you do also, but like all the posers on this board, you will never admit a fucking thing.

    Im going to play in a couple of days in Monticello, a real casino. not in my den or garage.

    some of you people should actually try to play on a real casino table.

    and I win and I lose, and when I win, I expect the casino to give me a lot more, I want them to beg me to come back.

    bribe me with rooms, food, shows, event tickets, super bowl parties, anything I might enjoy, they better step up or they will be stuck with posers.
     
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  16. James Hall, Aug 9, 2018

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    What might be a better strategy?
     
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  17. eagleeye2, Aug 9, 2018

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    WOW Liman, you are a bit Delusional!

    Webster Definition of poser ~ a puzzling or baffling question.

    What you EXPECT (as you state above) from a Casino, would place you in the ""Whale"" class of players; yes very DELUSIONAL on your part!

    eagleeye2
     
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  18. eagleeye2, Aug 9, 2018

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    WOW Liman, you are a bit Delusional!

    Webster Definition of poser ~ a puzzling or baffling question.

    What you EXPECT (as you state above) from a Casino, would place you in the ""Whale"" class of players; yes very DELUSIONAL on your part!

    eagleeye2
     
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  19. TDVegas, Aug 9, 2018

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    Your trip reports are THE most detailed, authentic, real and honest. You tell us the good. You tell us the bad. You know things can go phenomenally well and you also know it can go phenomenally bad.

    It's not all vault assaults or "picked up another $1,500" reports. Anyone who has played craps knows it can go great and it can go bad. If they are honest, THIS has happened to them. Both sides. Your reports are real, truth and give it how it is. AUTHENTIC being the key word.

    You also fully realize it might not go your way that day. Your wins and your losses are REAL reports. Can't say that for a lot of the short bus reports that only seem to contain cotton candy and cherry soda bullshit. Those who REALLY play know there are days of dog meat and dishwater.

    Admitting the bad gives a LOT more credibility to the good, IMO. There's a reason why a "vault assault" statement is simply discarded and your reports get comments, likes and discussion. They are REAL and damn well backed up with pictures, notes, details and everything else. Kudos.
    Guys like eagle have zero credibility, IMO. Their trip reports have zero credibility.

    Fantasy BS.
     
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  20. James Hall, Aug 9, 2018

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    Does this guy have a point?
    If you are an idiot to play craps when you know you are going to win
    is he saying you should wait to play
    when you know you are going to lose

    No you probably fit into that 97% that Top talks about.
    Spend a little more time on the table in your den
    or garage you might do better
    You have been trained right?
    You random guys amaze me , you piss , moan and cry
    because they pay bets at 7 to 6 instead of 6 to 5
    and then you want them to give you four or five hundred dollars
    in comps for showing up
    "Give me a free room and meals for a week and I'll come play"
     
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