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  1. Onautopilot, Apr 9, 2017

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    No thread "needs" my input.....I comment because I choose to. It's an open forum Billy, if it wasn't, you would not see 70-90 members logged in each day.

    You seem to have an obsession with how many times TDV and myself post on here, why is that? Oh, by the way, you have the option of not reading them, or responding to them.....hell, you even have the option of not even seeing them.

    You know what Billy, I think you secretly get some enjoyment out of all this....you keep coming back, and engaging TDV and myself.

    Like you said....have fun!
     
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  2. Onautopilot, Apr 9, 2017

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    Here is how Billy calculates his SRR, by his own words back when this all started.

    He does not count come out 7's. That automatically takes his claimed SRR of 8.2 down to 7.2. Then he said he always starts his SRR count when a box number is rolled for a point. That gives him a 1 up on the true count....further reducing his true SRR to 6.2.

    6.2 isn't all that bad, but a far cry from a claimed 8.2. :)
     
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  3. TDVegas, Apr 9, 2017

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    His entire agenda here seems to be...

    "I'm an advantage craps player (DI) AND you need to believe that".
    Or else. In some circles, we call that "I've got a bigger d*** than you" syndrome.

    I'm sure billy can enjoy this forum and the vibrant dialogue...he seems to ALWAYS come back. If he's going to get himself up in a wad every time those here who believe craps to be in general a random game of luck question the viability of skilled play (DI)...he'll get an ulcer.
    And I think that's where it originally started. I really didn't care how he calculated his version of SRR...but he was comparing himself to a random roller 6 SRR---but wasn't using traditional methods of calculating SRR for himself. He blew a gasket when questions arose about the methods of calculation.

    I think he has modified his calculating methods now...not discarding rolls.

    I don't really care what his true SRR is...that's his business.

    It ain't 8.2 over 40,000 rolls.
     
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  4. HornHiYo, Apr 9, 2017

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    That plus the hidden agenda; fill in for the Short Bussers and pursue the goal of attempting to rule the site, throwing common sense out the window, and making anyone (especially TDV and OAP) look bad in anyway shape or form in order to make the Short Bus Crew appear as the elite dice masters that hold the keys to the casino vault. Motto: if yas can't dazzle 'em with brilliance....baffle 'em with bullshit.
     
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  5. twodicebilly, Apr 9, 2017

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  6. HornHighBLEVE, Apr 9, 2017

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    Well TDB that's a harsh thing to say, posters like this are the life blood of special interest forums like this. They are a true and virtuous asset to all the dally non- posting visitors you see in the bottom right corner of every page here.

    If you believe in something, fine, just keep speaking up for it and debate its merits.

    Demanding the silence of others, using ridicule reeks of PC and Saul Alinsky tactics...and look where that has led us to.

    Surly you don't want an 'affirmative action' forum where everyone responds to suspect posts in an insincere and superlative fashion that borders on satire?

    NO, of course not.
     
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  7. TDVegas, Apr 9, 2017

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    Your numbers are very mysterious. Only you have recorded them. There is no second party confirmation or even a picture or video confirmation....like this. This is called real evidence. My SRR is above 15 here....surpassing your "paltry" 14.2 claim.:) The only difference between your claim and mine?...I can provide actual evidence. You can't. ;)

    Anyone can chicken scratch numbers down claiming a great feat of SRR. That's not evidence.

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  8. TDVegas, Apr 9, 2017

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    I think you have summed up the feelings of 99% of us here. It's those damn 1%'ers!;)
     
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  9. twodicebilly, Apr 9, 2017

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    I am not being harsh at all I am being honest.. over 16000 posts over many threads....

    LL I have suggested is that there is a thread for dice sitters..... I cant stop Autoguy
    or TDV for going there..... I am simple saying since they don't care to do it
    and have no interest in it, and can offer nothing to the discussion about it why
    not allow for the most part that that thread is populated by the 10-15 people that have
    been on here and want to learn from what each other is doing.

    Now I have given up on TDV....he is in a class by himself.. but from time to time you
    see Autoguy and yourself try to see the other side of the fence.... there are a good number
    of players that wont come here because of them and statements like this by
    TDV.....Your numbers are very mysterious. Only you have recorded them. There is no second party confirmation or even a picture or video confirmation....like this
    in this statement he is suggesting I would lie about this.....

    No decent player would put up with a jerk like TDV...zero..... and I am not on here because I like this shit, I am on here
    I think the others guys that have left are dead wrong... 16900 posts and TDV is worried about a thread with
    10-15 guys on it talking about something he will never do.

    The thought of that must keep him up at night

    Well while TDV frets over this i got a new boat and i need to set it up for fishing this week.

    tdb
     
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  10. Onautopilot, Apr 9, 2017

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    Got a deal for you Billy, you start a thread titled "Please, serious DI players only.". If you do that, and your 10-15 present lurkers, or non participants, show up and you all just share your thoughts and opinions on DI, I will refrain from commenting in that thread....if you do not reference me in any of your posts. I even think TDV might be willing to let you have your private venue.

    You say that I have nothing to offer on anything related to DI, that might be so, but I don't see it that way. The DI is still playing craps, and there are differing strategies, odds, and numbers some of them might be interested in.....I don't know it all, but I do have some insight into the game and its nuances. But like I said, I'll honor your request if you do gather your group together. I can't speak for anyone else though....but you have always just suggested that it's TDV and myself that are the thorns in your side. Here's your chance to get rid of me at least.

    By the way, what kind of boat did you get? I miss my boating days, or maybe not. Lots of care and work. But when I'm in San Diego the kid has a couple bass boats I get to play with....and his sponsors take care of one of them. Enjoy your day playing with the toy! :)
     
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  11. twodicebilly, Apr 9, 2017

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  12. twodicebilly, Apr 9, 2017

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    Autoguy

    That is very nice of you..... all we ask is respect... you may not agree, but
    so what, there are things in the dice sitter forum I don't agree with, but it is not
    my place to question that or ask them to prove it because it does not affect
    my play...

    I have a 21' Ranger we use for Walleye tournaments, and a 16.5 Lund at the
    lake home.. But I got 5 grand kids and 4 normally come together to fish so I cant
    get them, myself and Sue in the 16 so I sold it and got a 19' lund pro-guide.
    I think I am going to like it..

    tdb
     
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  13. HornHiYo, Apr 9, 2017

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    One thing I learned through experience that was better than owning my own boat is having a good fishing partner that owns a boat. :)

    I like your diversion but really TDV has been on board since 2014. He averages less than 3000 posts a year. Guys from your gang like James Hall is a dice setter and made 3,967 posts in about ten months over many threads. That is more productive than what TDV puts out. So I'm curious....what is your point?

    On another topic..... I read your testamonial n the Little Joe Spam. Congratulations on the nice win!
     
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  14. tabletop123, Apr 9, 2017

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    Here is the deal gentlemen: MOST (I did not say "ALL", because MOST SMART Di's want to blend in with the crowd) people want to share their good Crap sessions because they are so excited about winning!

    It's just human Nature! Personally I don't think it's SMART to share ANY Dice Tossing skill that one might possess for the sheer fact that you might be discovered, & Shut down!

    ESPECIALLY if you are taking large sums off of the tables! NO ONE that tosses a versed toss will EVER be able to evade the "Eye in the sky"!

    It just doesn't happen! I'd even be hard-pressed to believe that a Di with a deft toss would consistently fly under the radar at the Red Chip level!

    Casinos are NOT in the business of giving away free money! You can bet your sweet ass that UNLESS your skilled toss is disguised as random looking as hell......Your crap table withdrawal days will be short-lived!

    Now, MAYBE a guy like Full Press ( with his DEFINITELY random LOOKING, & unorthodox tosses) might get away with it!

    What I don't understand is WHY would a SUCCESSFUL Di come to a Craps forum, & say: "Look what I can do"! Don't believe me.......Well here's my roll stats to prove it! WHO DOES THAT?

    I wouldn't give a Rat's Ass if OnAutopilot, TDVegas, HornHigh, or whoever else says I am full of shit, & don't win at an alarming clip ( I say this respectfully guys)! I mean REALLY...... Because I scream AT THE TOP OF MY LUNGS: "P-L-E-A-S-E believe me"........It has absolutely NO BEARING on what I say I can do!

    Dice Influencers........A very strange breed, indeed! A True Di is nothing more than a hustler that has perfected a Craft! Most thorough- bred Hustler's keep their mouth closed! Shhhhhhhhhhhhh!
     
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  15. Onautopilot, Apr 9, 2017

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    Good decision, enjoy the grandkids...they grow up way to fast. :)
     
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  16. Twelve4s, Apr 9, 2017

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    A real DI drives one of these,

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  17. betwthelines, Apr 9, 2017

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    nor will they...you are good...read on
    somewhat off my main point here but i want to start by telling you with certainty that your perceptions and characterizations of the content of tdvegas's character and his personality are WAAAY off base...i honestly do not see in his posts where most of these perceptions come from.

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    i challenge you to show ONE post where tdv has weighed in where DIers are discussing DI methods or techniques or the efficacy of this shot or that, whether the 3v, underhand back-flip is better or on axis or off axis bs...show where tdv has weighed in the middle of DIers offering advice and help to each other in matters like that.

    you cannot find such a post by him or me (except for obvious satire, cf. "the ballerina toss") or 'pilot or really hardly any non DIer. (i could be wrong about 'pilot since at one time he tried DI himself)

    sure there is plenty of controversy and disagreement and arguments and push-back amongst DIers themselves about whether this or that shot, this or that technique is better for this or that or --and maybe especially-- which "school" offers what value or which famous practitioner has his head up his ass or not...indeed some of these pissing matches go back DECADES...

    hey, don't misunderstand: some of these posts are hilarious and entertaining but personally i have ZERO interest in such matters and i will go out on a limb and suggest that i can speak for tdv in that he has a similar amount of interest.

    you see no posts from either of us commenting on DI technique.

    you surmise correctly that non DIers have no interest in these things---dont even know wtf "GTC" is, for example---and thus you only very rarely see non DIers entering into these threads or when the topic goes there.

    but when srr's of 8 or other outrageous claims of advantage are made...well...let the shit storms begin.

    as you now apparently realize, if one desires to be uninterrupted or left alone in one's delusions, a free and open, public forum is not the place.

    tom p
     
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  18. TDVegas, Apr 9, 2017

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    I can't guarantee anything....and won't. Some days I post more. Some days I post less. Summer brings more travel, less posting. It's my decision to enter a thread or not.

    Tomp is right...I really have no clue about the intricacies (nuances) of dice setting or control and generally don't comment on that stuff. That does NOT mean I cannot offer opinions on outrageous SRR claims or question why these "professionals" are not applying this supremely lucrative craft (especially with 8 SRR's) and making a lot of money.

    tdb needs to get a grip. He's not getting what he wants here....Moderation, either self imposed based on his ideals or a true moderated forum where people are blocked from threads. If the topic interests me....regardless of subject matter---I may post. Can't guarantee I will or won't. tdb does not get to think for me and decide "this holds no interest to you...so stay out".

    My reasons have nothing to do with "upsetting the apple cart". If the topic interests me on ANY level...I may comment or offer an opinion. People can decide for themselves if my comment is valid or they think it's total crap. tdb can deal with this fact or go pound salt.
     
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  19. Onautopilot, Apr 9, 2017

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    Of course you're right. I guess I was more curious to see if he could maintain the 10-15 participants, and a thread that didn't die out after a short while.

    Did you watch the Masters...great finish. But our guy's wheels came off on the final round.
     
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  20. TDVegas, Apr 9, 2017

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    These were my 5 picks with my brother....no luck. Hemmed about taking Garcia. What a mistake. I think he was 20-1.

    I watched most of it yesterday. I was in Boulder City today enjoying a few beers.
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