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  1. lone irish digit, Apr 12, 2017

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    To expand a thought of TDB about how his Little Joe Toss is affected by table height and even more so is that he can’t do crap on some tables.

    The Resort Casino I am at has two craps table. One which is open all day and so far I fought to just keep my head above water on it. It’s a bit bouncy for my PARR toss or as Full Press says my “On axes toss” but what boggles me is I have a tendency (so far) to get bad flight dynamics on the main table. The dice separate too much for my liking and I have trouble hitting my spots. Is it the dice or table height?

    I try to play on the other table when it is open but because of the in-room bubbling pool I have difficulty in clearing out my spot. When I have played on the second table I have done well with both flight and landing characteristics great and I have made up for a lot of the video poker losses. For example I got in four hands on the second table last night and after opening with 6 points the other table dudes passed the dice back to me. I followed with two back to back 4 pointers. On my last hand I did not make a point although after the comeout roll I had 24 more tosses. My plan was to bet conservatively for my swan song toss and after covering my bets just collect and press as I wanted to ensure I would be ahead before heading back to the in-room bubbling pool.

    On this hand my point was a five which I had $5 on it with no odds and $12 on the six and eight. I planned to expand to the nine to ensure I have a 50% probability on each toss. Like I said, my toss looked great on this table and I proceeded to toss 24 more tosses before the seven came. Out of the 24 tosses I hit 10 sixes and 8 eights. I kept track of the toss total and six and eights in the rack. What’s even more amazing I just continued to flat bet the six and eight because I was in awe of my toss and shit I was getting paid on just about every toss with little money invested. After tossing a bunch of repeaters six and eights the box started to examine the dice between tosses. The other end of the table pressed the hell out of the six and eights and made good money. Like I said these hands helped recoup one my worst VP losses ever but why the great disparity in tosses; dice, table, or combination of both. Oh, the set I was using was a G2 V3 quick set permutation so Dave would call this a 6 and 8 set although Koko would say I showed my axes. Why the big differences between tables so far I am not sure.
     
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  2. twodicebilly, Apr 13, 2017

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    Nice job....

    But I did not say that the high tables make it hard for me to throw the
    LJ shot,,,,, I use several shots including PARR and GTC.. a high
    table makes it damn hard for me to throw anything, and even harder to
    eat off of.

    tdb
     
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  3. twodicebilly, Apr 13, 2017

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    I would like to see a lot of guys post in here again, appears that is
    not going to happen.

    I think I was pretty clear on what I said.... as far as the bet is concerned
    and I am willing to do that.... to be honest, I don't want your $2000
    this is not the same as the bet with TDV... I " honestly" think he has gone
    out of his way to be like he is on here concerning anyone that has the
    guts to work on something hundreds of hours to get a better chance on the table...
    I was thinking this morning if I was being to hard on him, who did I know
    here that was like him...and the answer is no one.... I don't know a single
    person that tries as hard as he does to belittle people for trying to do
    a little better at something...none....

    Anyway, I went fishing yesterday on Lake Michigan and got damn cold.

    tdb

    Speaking for fishing, my kid is in vegas this week for work, he does not gamble
    but spends every dime he makes on fishing equipment ( and half of mine).
    He is staying at MGM.....He called Monday night and said I know you
    would rather be here than me... he has every night to waste and does not
    want to lose money or pay $10 for a beer.. I said go find a bubble craps machine, put a few
    bucks in and you maybe can have a beer or two on the casino....Well he put
    in a $20 and cashed out at $115. He called the next morning, Then Tuesday
    night he took $20 to $287.... One of the other reps is a real craps player
    and he wanted Steve to go to one of the bigger places near by, I said well
    the tables wont be $2 like bubble craps.... did not get a call last night
    or this morning so I can guess what happened.. more than likely lost 30
    new walleye lures.
     
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  4. Onautopilot, Apr 13, 2017

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    I agree about the betting thing, most of them never happen anyway The weather has really turned nice here, and I have been re-spooling, and cleaning all my fishing gear. I keep it in my truck, and there are a lot of fisheries within a few miles. I often just pull over and fish some of them when I am out roaming around. I use to live a few miles from Lak Michigan in Indiana, I know how the cold and wind can be there.

    I don't think any of us doubters have a problem with anyone that puts the time in to attempt DI, I even tried it. For the most part, it is some of the claims they offer that gets some flack. For instance, a poster just claimed he could influence the bubble machine and get 70% sevens on his "pushes".....now that did get some serious questions and doubts....and rightly so in my mind.

    Anyway, hope the weather turns better up there, and you enjoy the new boat.
     
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  5. eagleeye2, Apr 13, 2017

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    A bit strange, but that is #2 on the LIST that FEW cared to comment on!

    Leaving only the influence that a SHOOTER may have over the DICE, as anyone's chance to be an overall WINNER!

    What Influences May a Player Have Over DICE?

    Thus I list some of the Influences That a Player May have Over Dice @ a Craps Table Below:

    1) Picking a Casino to Play at

    2) Picking a Table @ a Casino to Play at

    3) Selecting the two Dice to Shoot @ a Table

    4) Setting the DICE Prior to Shooting them

    5) Technique of Shooting the DICE

    6) Mind Over Matter Control Over the Dice

    7) Selecting a Player to BET on @ the Casino, other than oneself

    8) A Betting Strategy to use when Shooting or betting on other Shooters

    9) Other things

    Now, with as many Variables & Interactions as listed above, why would anyone want to intentionally ""Shoot to Lose their own $$$ Bet @ a Craps Table????


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  6. basicstrategy777, Apr 13, 2017

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    OAP....make sure you remove the first 15 feet of line as it has probably weakened. Carry a nail clipper.

    777
     
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  7. twodicebilly, Apr 13, 2017

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  8. Onautopilot, Apr 13, 2017

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    Thanks for the tip. I always double check my gear, and the line. I would hate myself if I lost "that one big bass" because of my screw up. :)

    My son is a pro bass fisherman, sends me gear and large spools of quality line he gets free from sponsors...so I never worry about changing line or cutting back some.

    I see the pic on the boat....you do mostly salt water stuff?
     
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  9. KokomoJoe4, Apr 13, 2017

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    As I recall, Sally was critical of everyone and everything, undoubtedly because she is both smarter than the rest of us, and has a low opinion of the male gender.

    She spoke of taking pleasure in laying her wagers, and laughing the DI's off the table as their errant tosses result in her collecting winners on their seven outs.

    MS definitely knows her math, I will say that for her. She knows of better ways than craps to make money, and only plays the game in such a way that the most common outcome will never hurt her.

    Not my style of play, but to each her own. Haven't seen her or goatcabin here in quite some time now.
     
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  10. Bases loaded, Apr 13, 2017

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    I see mustangsally posting on the Wizard of Vegas forum occasionally.

    Her posts are always entertaining.

    When I first joined here, Goat Cabin was a frequent poster; I enjoyed his strict mathematical take on the game of CRAPS.
     
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  11. Onautopilot, Apr 13, 2017

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    Yea, I miss Goatcabin too. Years ago on the old usenet craps forum, he was kind enough to do a lot of private e-mail with me on the math of the game...probabilities, and statistics. He would rum sims with my parameters, and then explain all the different statistical data. But he was also quick to put some of my proffers right out in the street, as BTL likes to say. :)

    If one takes the time and accepts the occasional "slap", they can get a fair education in these forums.
     
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  12. KokomoJoe4, Apr 13, 2017

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    Axes be damned, great shooting LID, but c'mon now, see a couple of 6's and 8's, you got to start acting like the guys on the other side of the table and getting some bigger bucks out there working.

    How the hell are you going to expand and grow your skunk-cap operation by always saying "same bet"?
     
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  13. tabletop123, Apr 13, 2017

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    I recall reading a few of her posts! She showed mathematical proof that betting the first five rolls, & then taking down your bets was superior to the Five Count!

    Mustang Sally also said that she ONLY makes lay bets, & NOTHING else! She stayed that she wins at a pretty alarming clip (where have I heard THAT before?) lol
     
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    I think that's probably a good assessment, but the few times she corrected some of my flawed math....actually mine were just estimates, but she was on the polite side when pointing them out, at least to me. And like I said....I never argued with her. :)
     
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    I agree! Most players wade on the sign of caution......NOT wanting to get their nuts clipped, but at some point in time you MUST take a chance & press your bets on order to get that Occassional Big win!

    Same bet, Same bet, usually leads to the Same Results.........Same Loss!
     
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  16. basicstrategy777, Apr 13, 2017

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    That photo was taken on my 68th birthday. I took the wife and one of my kids to the Cape and rented a boat, skipper and first mate for the day to do some stripper fishing. It was a great week. I have a picture of the stripper I caught but not sure how to post it here ; it was a nice fish.

    Actually, I enjoy both salt and fresh but probably fresh water the most. Opening day for trout season just opened here in CT. and I use to get up at 4 in the morning to go. As I've gotten older not into fishing that much although I'm sure I'd enjoy it again if I went.

    Fishing gets your mind off of everyday problems and I'm sure is therepudic....I'm glad to see you still enjoy it and go.

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    They were both elitist math pricks that liked to lord it over you if you strayed from the math of the game. I don't miss them at all and the board has not suffered by their absence.

    IMHO.

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  18. lone irish digit, Apr 13, 2017

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    Barney did an analysis on the super computer about two years ago on Mustang Sally's posts on WOV. By examining many facets of her writing style it concluded that there was a 98.69% probability that she is a he.
     
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  20. Onautopilot, Apr 13, 2017

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    Thanks, hadn't seen that one. Kinda like Sally's final comment. :)

    In any effort, there is always need to know information, and nice to know information, craps is no different. There are certain math things you need to know to play the game half way intelligently (oxymoron).

    The EV of all the bets, and payouts, expected distribution of numbers, and some understanding of the probabilities related to the game.

    Then there is the nice to know information that Goatcabin gets into....there is a fine line between the nice to know and need to know depending on the level of the game you want to play.

    For me, I want to know a bit more than just the basics. I want to know the expectations of any strategy I might incorporate, and the amount of luck needed to accomplish some given goal. That way, I can compare various schemes to see witch one fits my desired play for a particular session.

    Variance, volatility, deviation, and cumulative probabilities are somewhat important to me.

    I reckon I have always been that way.....I want to know more about things. Yea, I know that a watch is designed to give you the time of day, but I want to know how the damn thing does it. :)

    I learned a ton form Alan (Goatcabin), and a few others, Midnight included......they were all generous with their knowledge.

    Not for everyone, I know that. And for some they are a thorn in the side, because the true math of the game shatters their "fairy dust" theories. :)
     
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