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  1. bq325is, Jan 10, 2015

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    Looking for advice on what I can do or read to learn about that the game before I enter the Casino..
     
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  2. Grizzoola, Jan 10, 2015

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    The first book I read before going to my first table was "No Nonsense Craps," by Richard Orlyn. It's available on Amazon.com, for about $15.

    It's not a thick book, but it fills you in on the essentials of the game, with words of advice here & there. He offers one strategy, is all, but he leaves it all up to you what to do. It's easy reading; no lingo or war stories padding. I'm glad I read this book first; I bought 4 or so other books, later, but I still find this a good reference book to refresh my memory.

    Basicstrategy777, who posts regularly in this forum, has a good book, but for a complete noobie, read Orlyn's book 1st, then 777's.
     
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  3. basicstrategy777, Jan 11, 2015

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    Thax Grizz.....appreciate it.

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  4. TDVegas, Jan 11, 2015

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    Pass line bet with equal odds bet or don't pass bet with equal odds bets. if you want more action, add 2 additional come/don't come bets with odds and stop. Avoid sucker prop bets...especially if you plan on being a "regular" player.
     
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  5. bq325is, Jan 11, 2015

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    Thanks. What about playing the points
     
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  6. bleeckerboy, Jan 11, 2015

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    stick with 6 / 8 for place bets. Better off with a don't come than a lay bet in my opinion. I tend to favor a line bet with odds and placing the 6/8 to come bets, all are good bets, however.
     
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  7. vinylgirl45, Jan 12, 2015

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    Hi bq325is,
    Welcome to the board. I am not sure I can post this, but I like to suggest John Patrick's winning at craps for beginners DVD, its on eBay and you can purchase it for under $10. Small investment and it will teach you the basics. Also you can go to YouTube, put in Paul Enockson, he has down loaded Dice Coach's videos, which will help you get a better understanding of the game. Also on YouTube put in the craps coach. He has couple good videos. I hope this helps you out. This is a good start and low investment to learn how to start playing the game.
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  8. Shamrockblonde, Jan 13, 2015

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    I have been watching videos on Youtube attempting to learn the Game! Then i added the 3D craps game on my ipad, i got pretty comfortable with the basics, my husband and I made a trip to Harrah's..i felt pretty confident, until i walked up to the table! Every word the players and dealers were speaking were foreign to me, the table was very fast paced, i decided to watch the tables there several times, and go when it would be the slowest time. I absolutely love Craps, i am obsessed with learning more and more, does anyone know the slowest times at Harrah's? Also, how can i learn all of the verbiage?
     
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  9. KokomoJoe4, Jan 14, 2015

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    Most important thing to start with is to learn the dice. The pyramid is a great starting point, but is by no means everything.

    Also learn the advantages of the base contract bets: Pass, DP, Come and DC, with and without odds, and how they differ significantly from bets which are totally under your control, but which don't pay as fairly in many but not all circumstances.

    This sort of stuff is MUCH more important than the verbage of the game, although you gotta love things like boxcars and bullets and niner, niner ocean liner. BTW, I always thought that center-field was 8, not 9 lol
     
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  10. vinylgirl45, Jan 14, 2015

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    Hey Shamrockblode,
    Welcome to the board. If you really want to learn the game. PLEASE read a basic craps book and for terminology may I suggest YouTube, put in Paul Enockson and look for craps terminology (by Dice Coach). Its 9 minute video That should help. As for getting more confident, I can not stress to you to learn the game. The more you play the more comfortable you will be at the table. If a skill player has about 50% chance of winning, what do think your odds are? Just saying. Knowledge of the game is important. It will save you a ton of money. I believe in the big four, bankroll, knowledge of the game, money management, and discipline. If you don't know what I am talking about, please learn more about the game. In the previous post in this thread, there are some good sound strategies.
    As for slow times at craps tables usually early mornings. But please consider there are about 80-120 hours an hour in a craps game. Maybe some of veteran crapster can give you a more precise number of rolls an hour. Craps is very fast moving game, but it is a blast. I have only been playing this game for about a year and I wish I would of learned a little more before I step up the the table. Just to let you know, a lot of players at a craps table don't have a clue about the game is play. I hope this helps. Good Luck and let us know how it goes.
     
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  11. basicstrategy777, Jan 14, 2015

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    A good book with definitions for craps/gambling terms would be a start.....but is not the complete answer. Time at the table, at different parts of the country, would be most beneficial.......I guarantee you will hear things not in a book. Understand, that craps in the early days was a mans game and its colorful language has much sexual innuendo.....e.g. point is ( fill in the blank).....the throat tickler.....big Ben the ladies friend....big dick......the tallest point in the joint......Hopefully you are not too easily offended as that's just the way it is. Not all the time, not that offen, but sometime.

    Also, you should also become aware of craps etiquette when at the table........e.g.
    dealers can't take money from your hand ;.....you cannot hold the dice in two hands:............you should bet/buy-in/color up when the dice are in the middle of the table ;.......smokes and drinks should not be held over the lay-out;......plus other 'rules'.

    Having said all this.....There will be no substiture for time at the table.

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  12. goatcabin, Jan 16, 2015

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    http://www.cloudcitysoftware.com/

    The best introduction to craps, in my view, is to purchase WinCraps, a wonderful simulator for Windows. You even get to hear the dealers. Also, the Help files have excellent explanations of all the bets. You can play craps without risking any of your money until you are ready to hit the casino. You can even download a free trial copy and check it out first. Later on, if you want to, you can program it with various betting systems and run thousands upon thousands of trials. The "Pro" version is $15, the "Classic" just $10. (BTW, I am not affiliated with Cloud City Software, but have been using WinCraps, both Classic and Pro, for many, many years.
    Cheers, and good luck,
    Alan Shank
     
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  13. rudeboy99, Jan 19, 2015

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    goatcabin is right of course, WinCraps is great! While there are some top shelf craps videos on YouTube, I reccommend "Casino Craps, the Mathematics", posted by Jimmoments... there are that many more that either give you bad info or else they are trying promote a "system", or questionable instruction, so take things there with a grain of salt. Before you step up to a live game, I recommend that you Google "craps table etiquette" and study that. When you do buy in and play, keep things REAL SIMPLE, don't try to learn everything in one fell swoop. By meandering through the various threads in this forum you should be able to find out virtually every aspect of the game. There are some real savvy, clever posters here! Buy a basic book. Learn the craps probability chart..The game is really fairly simple if you don't let yourself become overwhelmed by the fast action, and confusing jargon, initially. Best of luck!:D
     
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  14. Grizzoola, Jan 20, 2015

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    Richard Orlyn's "No-Nonsense Craps" is such a book for a noobie. It sure prepared me. It includes advice re: money management, as much a part of learning craps as the pyramid, basic math, & good & bad bets (high/low HA, etc.).
     
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  15. rudeboy99, Jan 20, 2015

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    I just looked up Richard Orlyn's book on Amazon and must say it's well done and explains every aspect of the game that a beginning player would likely need to know. No gimmicks, no B.S. I had just recently became aware of it's existence. Ironically enough, I've written, edited and copyrighted a volume titled "Power Craps Tactics" that's aimed directly at the total beginner or somewhat more experienced players that have no concept of what makes the game tick. But I've been putting off getting it published on the 'net and setting up a website until I'm a little closer to retiring. :cool:
     
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  16. Onautopilot, Jan 24, 2015

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    Most any basic book on craps will get you started, but first, get a pair of dice, and become intimately familiar with the mathematics of those cubes! 36 possible combinations, how many possibilities for each number..2 thru 12. This will give you the odds of rolling any of those numbers. That will, or should be, the basis for all of your betting decisions. Just compare those odds against the house payoffs for any bet you make. Good luck! :)
     
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  17. goatcabin, Feb 11, 2015

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    Just for fun, I ordered "No Nonsense Craps" from Amazon. I read it on vacation up in Bodega Bay Monday-Wednesday, and I will post a review within the next couple of days. I suspect this book is VERY different from 777's book.
     
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  18. Grizzoola, Feb 12, 2015

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    How I play/bet is a variation on Orlyn's "Table Time Strategy." It's at the core of my playing style. Due to the complexities I've read on this & the Wizard's board re: pressing, regressing, and progression/regression, I prefer the simplicity of Orlyn's system.

    Also, rather than showing how to win a pile, he emphasizes "a win is a win," no matter how small, by sticking to the low HA bets and betting according to your BR. He also advises things like never taking odds on #'s other than the 6/8, etc., which most posters here & elsewhere would disagree with.

    777's book would be improved with better editing and a comb binding rather than loose-leaf. 777 does have some ideas worth considering, but I agree w/ you re: qualifying shooters.
     
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  19. Onautopilot, Feb 12, 2015

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    I don't think most people would disagree with not taking odds on points other than 6 or 8, as long as the individual reasoning was sound. By forgoing the odds, one reduces the chance for increased variance, and for their method of play, that might be the smart thing to do. On the other hand, someone like "Bases Loaded", looks at it in the opposite view, they are looking for increased variance to give them the chance for larger wins, and they accept the risk that brings. In reality, there is no "standard" right or wrong way to play the game, each individual has their own different goals, and once you know those goals, a strategy can be chosen to best accomplish that goal. Someone that is just looking for time at the table, and a chance at a small or moderate win, reducing the chance for variance is the way to go. Someone looking for a large win, and time is of no concern, variance can be their friend...or their demise. It's a rather simple game, once you know the basics, it's just a matter of risk / reward, a utility thing for the most part, and that is different for each individual player.
     
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  20. goatcabin, Feb 12, 2015

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    You mean "lots of misspelled words?".
     
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