New craps player here.

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  1. Titleistguy, May 16, 2016

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    100 investment into a bank roll leaves you almost NO room for error, and WILL require luck and some discipline.

    Assuming you possess the money and discipline, and we'll stipulate the luck here is what you need to do.

    Learn the 'best' bets (aka, the one's with the LOWEST house edge).

    Understand the game mechanics, and have a plan when you start your session, how you'll cope with game ebbs and flows, and when you're going to leave. (stop win / stop loss).

    Finally, as an editorial comment here --- with such a limited starting bank roll, I'd recommend playing the DONTS at first ... and here is why.

    A pass line bet, essentially requires 2 bets, a 'line bet' which is not great, and a free odds bet, and while the free odds bet is awesome, its still more money at risk. And since you're most likely not going to be taking "full" odds right away you might want to stay away from the passline. At first.

    You can make a don't pass line FLAT BET, and take no odds on it, and its still a great bet b/c the odds are in your favor to win an even money bet. Surviving the comeout roll is difficult, but I postulate you have more to lose in free odds that dont' get paid on line bets then you do in re-charged don't pass bets.

    You can also hedge a bit if you need to. Here is an example:

    Go to a 10 dollar table, make a 15 dollar don't pass bet. Toss a nickel to the dealer and say I need a 3 dollar seven "hop", I like to get a dollar yo, and a dollar 12 with those 2 extra bucks. But for you, just protect yourself from the seven -- at that point you're saying I'm putting my 2 ace-deuces up against their 2-yo's, and are willing to eat a push on 12. All that said, you're in the hand for 18 dollars, (15 flat, 3 hedge). And you give yourself a great chance to win 15. What you do, is at that point, make a lay of ONE unit. Regardless of the point make a 6 dollar lay, and you'll get 3, 4, or 5, dollars a back on that depending on the point. There is nothing guaranteed about this plan, but its reasonably low risk, and if you're at a cold / cool table, you can get a few quick wins, turn your 100 into 140 or 150, and get out.

    Also, have a detailed plan for yourself. Say your goal should be 10% profit each session, or maybe on a limited bank roll, use an actual dollar amount, say 50 bucks. If you hit that number, get out.

    Have a planned exit strategy, lose half your buy in, get out...the dice will be there tomorrow.

    Good luck.
     
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  2. Craps Poopshoot, May 16, 2016

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    With $100, I would play a $5 Don't pass and one $5 don't come and wait for the seven-out. At any time if the shooter knocks off a bet, we are done with any further betting on that shooter.

    I would also parlay any DP or DC come-out wins.

    Don't lay any odds behind the DP or the DC, the bankroll won't survive odds at this point.

    I probably play this till I was up $30 then find another table or casino.

    All of this of course is in the book, The Dice Doctor

    It is a grind playing like this, though I have done well with this sort of play on The Strip and Downtown Las Vegas.

    Of course the idea would be to press your wins back in to your bankroll and increase your base bet size.

    I did meet another player downtown Las Vegas who was playing like I was, he was grinding close to $500 a day in the downtown area, and up on the Strip far more than that with small buy-ins.

    If you think you are going to belly-up to a table and Roll yourself a whopper of a win, you best then get over to Axis Power Craps where the rest of the fools have departed from reality and all reasonable thinking and rationality.
     
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  3. Jack_The_Ripper, May 16, 2016

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    You had me rolling on the floor! With your post that's some funny shit!

    But who doesn't like to take a bite out of that shit sandwich when walking into a casino! I did two weeks ago and they got some of the money I won off them a month ago back! Going this weekend to reclaim my $400 I lost! Yah!
     
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  4. The Midnight Skulker, May 21, 2016

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    @Fuzzy212 and @Graciah29
    The first thing you need to do is learn the game, if for no other reason so you will know what you are hoping will happen when you make a bet! My personal recommendation is to download WinCraps from http://cloudcitysoftware.com/. It is shareware, hence the basic features can be used at no charge. IMHO the help file alone is worth the price of admission for a novice player.

    Second, When asked how to bet by a novice I recommend Jim's Parlay Method. It is simple, not at all bankroll intensive, can satisfy the need for action, and gives its user a reasonable shot at coming out ahead.
     
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  5. Grizzoola, May 21, 2016

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    I read the short piece, but don't know what "bet on the decision before the last one" means. What purpose does that serve?
     
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  6. Onautopilot, May 21, 2016

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    Good advice!
     
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    Depending on the table minimums, there are many plays that give you a fair chance at winning a little.

    A pass line bet, and a come bet, parlay a come out winner one time. You are expected to last a while, and if you get a little ahead, you could add single odds......just one of many conservative plays with a limited bankroll.
     
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  8. rudeboy99, May 22, 2016

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    When I have potential , brand new rookies come to the game asking how to play, I try to teach them just ONE aspect at a time...'line bet with odds...I try to explain the probability factor of the 36 possible combinations, and how that relates to the play of the game...if they give me a blank look, I back up and explain the field...I've always felt that there isn't much sense in trying to learn everything the first time out. Like the folks in A.A. say,"Keep It Simple, Stupid"...
     
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  9. TheOtherBigRed, May 22, 2016

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    When I first started, I read everything I could find online. Got books from several different authors covering different philosophies.
    Then I played simulations until I was comfortable enough to walk up to a live table. Now, if I want to try something a little
    different than I'm use to, I go to the bubble to see if it's something I want to pursue farther.
     
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  10. rudeboy99, May 23, 2016

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    When I first started gambling, I had trouble visualizing what the printed pages were telling me in relation to a live craps table. So in addition to gambling books, I got a couple of video cassettes.( Betamax, this was quite awhile ago). These helped me immensely as far as understanding what the authors' were explaining. Here in the modern era, we have YouTube. Personally, the only videos I recommend there are Mike Shackleford's Craps series #'s 1 through 5. I'm not spamming here, I hope, but this series explains everything you really need to learn starting out, IMHO.
     
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  11. rudeboy99, May 23, 2016

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    In regards to the bankroll needs, whatever your basic "unit" is, i.e., if you want to play at a $5 minimum game, making $5 & $6 PB's then my recommendation is to buy in 50X of that unit...in this case $250. This allows a bit leeway if you start out badly...and helps to keep you in it until things start going your way. Of course a short BR still gets you in the game and it's certainly possible to win, but you can't fade a long bad streak...
     
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  12. Lukas Stenmarck, May 25, 2016

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    The first tips is to learn everything about craps.
    You can find all the information you need online - just basic guides and stuff.
    My advice is to write an article yourself. Writing is so much better than just reading.
    It helps you understanding all the details.

    I just did one about <a href="http://sirslot.com/dk/craps/">craps in Danish/a> and it helped me a lot to understand the basics.

    Do the same for your language.
    Then - first after you know the basics - try to read books and stuff
     
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    When I was a dealer and people asked me how to play I would point out the pass line and the don't pass and tell them only bet on the black or white bets. I would point out the field and prop box and tell them don't bet on anything red or yellow.

    If they asked me how to win I would tell them "if I knew that I wouldn't be working"......with a smile of course
     
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    The funniest craps lesson I've seen is when we were standing on a dead game and a guy comes up and asks the stickman "how do you play this game?"
    Stickman puts the stick on the pass line and says "2-3-12 you lose"
    points at the don't and says "7-11 you lose"
    points at the field and says "5-6-7-8 you lose"
    points to the come and says "2-3-12 you lose"
    points at the don't come and says "7-11 you lose"
    points at the box numbers and says "7 you lose"
    points at the prop box and says "if it doesn't come like the picture in one roll you lose"

    With a confused look on his face the player asks "well how do you win?"
    Without skipping a beat the stickman says "that's just it you cant win that's why the four of us are standing here with nothing to do"
     
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    Hmmmmm.
     
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    I would agree with that, you cant learn anything
    here, which is to bad, because there is so much
    being learned about how to approach the
    game differently

    tdb
     
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  17. KokomoJoe4, Dec 22, 2019

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    There is a lot that can be learned about the game of craps, both by playing and by speaking with others who have some experience playing the game.

    However, we are discussing gambling, where money, which may or may not be hard earned, is put at risk in an attempt to win more money.

    Regardless of how much is known about the game, this knowledge has no effect on success playing the game. Why? Because we have not a clue as to what the dice will show when they come to rest, and if we have a bunch of bets in action, they are all swept away when the wrong number shows.

    Never been there, but I'm guessing the Axis crew will tell you that dice can be controlled, no, make that influenced, and that this influence can be learned. Once learned, so they say, you become an advantaged player. That is, you will now beat the house. How's this working out for all of the AP's?
     
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    Dont put me in that crew that has no idea...I know exactly
    what I am going to do when I go to the table....

    Ahead of time I select the tables I am going to play on, I know which of my shots has worked best on the table and what my best position is on that table.....what I dont know is me, my shot will be different than last time I was there...can I adjust or cant I.....so there are times i win and times I lose, but, the distribution of wins as compared to loses has changed significantly the past 3.5 years as compared to the first 42 years I have played the game...

    NOw you can think i am full of shit or that I have found something that works for me.....either way.....you have the
    discision to make.... i have made mine.

    I am playing in Laughlin Sunday-Thursday next week....i know where i am going to play, i know what adjustments i made in October ....i cant wait to get there.

    TDB
     
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  19. lone irish digit, Dec 22, 2019

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    This is Barney

    The most greatest Irishsetter is correct. Craps personages should procure the LIDs craps books and DI apparel to help them improve their craps skill and not listen to old innumerate farts and casino shills who reside here. Besides, the LID has recently sold me all of his rights to his books and DI apparel so I get all of the monies on each sale now. Does anyone know if the mostly greatest Irishsetter (second greatest craps mathematician just hair below LIDs comrade Max Planck) health has improved and is back mixing it up in crap circles?
     
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  20. KokomoJoe4, Dec 22, 2019

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    I am not referencing you, but when I say "we don't know what the dice will show when they come to rest" applies to everyone (except possibly LID).

    I do not think you are full of shit and have never said so. All I have said is that I don't think it's possible to influence dice, but in spite of this, and I think like you, I set the dice with the hope of rolling a lot of numbers I am betting on.

    Because this is easier to do with contract bets, I contract bet.

    What I find when setting dice a certain way is that I sometimes have an exceptional roll, other times a so-so roll, and other times a shitty roll. I do not perform consistently when shooting, and I assume this is true of most of us.
     
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