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Discussion in 'Prop Bets & Side Bets' started by cardshark, May 23, 2012.

  1. cardshark, May 23, 2012

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    if there were another sucker bet on the table as if we needed one what would you be llikely to bet. a bet that automaticaly parlays hard ways? etc.
     
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  2. $nakeEye$, May 23, 2012

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    cardshark -

    Welcome home -

    You will definitely fit right in here with your narrow minded way of thinking -

    Hook up with BS777 -

    " Birds of a feather, tend to ....................... "
     
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  3. The Midnight Skulker, May 23, 2012

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    You're going to have to connect the dots for me on this one. How does asking for ideas on a new prop bet indicate a closed mind?

    As for cardshark's question, how about a bet that a shooter will hold the dice for over ten rolls? Average hand is 8.375 rolls IIRC, so the bet could pay even money.
     
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  4. JGreen6918, May 23, 2012

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    I completely agree. $nakeEye$, you seem to have a knack for making unjustified conclusions.
     
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  5. cardshark, May 28, 2012

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    right a legitimate question hardly seems narrow minded. you know where the real money is in a casino. running it. because you will never beat it in the long run. thinking of new innovations to casino games can be quite lucritive.

    so snake eyes go fuck yourself. your the dice player everyone hates.
     
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  6. $nakeEye$, May 29, 2012

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    And you kiss your mother with that mouth -

    How " narrow minded " you might think I may be -

    Do " you " think for 1 iota of 1 second -

    That such a " lucrative " bet -

    Would be " hawked " by the casino -

    How many " shooters " can hit any " easy way number " ONCE or more -

    During the course of their hand -

    Let alone a " HardWay " - ONCE -

    Then you want to " PARLAY " 1 miracle, oddity, fluke throw into another, then another and then .........

    If you are so inclined to piss your hard earned money away -

    Go for it -

    However -

    Do not expect me or any other knowledgable player to follow blatantly behind your ignorant betting regimen !

    And YES - you are CORRECT -

    THINKING about new betting regimens CAN be lucrative -

    BUT DO NOT BET SAME - till they are proven -

    One way or the other !
     
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  7. zmoney, Jun 1, 2012

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    This site has unfortunately turned into the internet tough guy hang out with the horrible talk to each other. Oh I know if we saw you in person you'd be 6'8 260.

    As a general rule talk to someone on the web like you'd talk to them in person.
     
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  8. joe57777, Aug 4, 2012

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    Is there an Iron Cross strategy that may even lose money on certain rolls but when the dust clears after maybe 2-6 hours of playing would I be up at least 75% of the time or at least do you think it would be worth it?)

    Is there a way to incorporate a $5 Whirl bet into an Iron Cross or any other type of strategy where you can win at least aroung 75% of the time especially in the short long run? It is interesting that the Whirl bet returns your $5 if the 7 shows!

    Is there any type of strategy at all that plays in favor of a 7 to show as a BETTER outcome? In other words play for the seven maybe with the 6 and 8 involved or maybe the DP/DC hedge or ANYTHING that will in 2-6 hours of playing have me win about 75% of the time or in other words would it be worth playing it?)

    Thanks, if you would rather PM me your answer please feel free to do so.
     
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  9. Harry Smith, Dec 20, 2012

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  10. thecrazymr, Dec 23, 2012

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    First let us begin with the term "Sucker Bet".
    We all know that every bet, on every game, in every casino has a built in house advantage.
    Would that alone not indicate that any bet is a sucker bet?
    How about changing this term to get a more posative response and use "Proposition Bet"?

    Now as for your question, I think that the craps tables could use a lot of bets to attract players.
    One of the problems with additional bets is that the table felt gets busy and confusing to keep track of all bets.
    Would you widen the table, or lengthen it to make additional bets and areas to place those bets fit?
    Would you take away current bets to make room for a future bet location?

    I like to play (Place 5, 6, & 8 with the field) a method that covers all numbers except the 7.
    We can currently play Any 7 on a bet so why not simplifiy the above and offer a NO 7 bet?
    It would offer reverse odds like the Lay Bets (pays 1 to 7) or something that will of course have built in House Advantage.

    There is an unlimited number of ways to create proposition bets on a craps table.
    The two main focuses need to be:
    A. How you would simplify the felt with your bet on it?
    B. Would the players prefer your bet enough to justify the change in table or felt layout?

    Think about your felt layout first and foremost.
    How would it look with an additional bet location with 4 or 5 players bets on that location at the same time?
     
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  11. thecrazymr, Dec 24, 2012

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    Are you looking to simply be up 75% of the time, or are you looking to be ahead overall in regards to your playing bankroll?
    The reason I ask is, you may be up 75% of the time by only a small amount, yet the 25% of the time you are down you might be down significantly so that your overall gaming profit/loss is a negative.
    There are lots of ways to be up more often than you are down, but your up portion is minimal and your down portions are extensive.

    If you want to bet that the 7 IS going to show it's ugly little head, simply apply a Lay Bet to your betting patterns.
    Pass and Come bets look for the 7 before going on a point and only wish to avoid it after it is on a number.
    Don't Pass and Don't Come are reverse and look to get to a point and then are looking for the 7.

    There is no game, system, or strategy that anyone can offer that will ensure a player is up any amount at the end of the day.
    All bets, no matter how you piece them together are designed to give the house your money, or at least a portion thereof.

    There are only three ways in craps to potentially win.
    1. DI: These are the shooters that believe that they can control at least a portion of the outcome of the dice with the way they set/toss the dice. IF you can achieve success with this, you can gain an advantage over the house enough to come out ahead.

    2. Bet Timing: These are the players that put their bets out there and attempt to remove them prior to a negative outcome. IF you can achieve success with this, you again gain an advantage over the house.

    3. Lucky: These are the players that just have luck on their side. They place their bets and the results come out with them ahead at the end of the day. This can happen to anyone, anytime, and anywhere but could just as easily NEVER happen for you.

    Both of the first two listed methods of winning have suport and oposition in the Craps community. Any System someone tries to tell you will give you a posative expectation is a farce. If you cannot control the outcome of the dice or time your bets somehow to miss the negative results, your bets in any combination are subject to the randomness of the game and therefore have a negative expectation as a general rule.
     
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  12. M & M

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    thecrazymr,
    Just about as simple and true as you can get.
    Very good answer.I,m impressed.
     
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  13. Taylorcage, Dec 27, 2012

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    you need time, money, luck and good betting tips provider then you can take a chance to win. Its not about sucker bet but don't worry I have something for you just check it out .. http://bettingchoice.co.uk/
     
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  14. jkluv7, Jan 4, 2013

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    A 'fun' way to bet are side bets with other players (HIGHLY frowned upon by the casinos)... How about I bet with the guy next to me that the shooter will throw a number less than 7? No odds... just a flat $25 bet win or lose.
     
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  15. thecrazymr, Jan 4, 2013

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    Funny, I have seen this bet on a layout.
    Over 7 pays even money
    Under 7 pays even money
    House Advantage when the 7 rolls (1 out of 6)
     
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  16. Lifeisacrapshoot, Jan 6, 2013

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    @thecrazymr,

    I liked your response to Joe57777.

    Lifeisacrapshoot
     
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  17. 7Craps, Jan 9, 2013

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    Great bet idea. One that I use.
    First...
    The average of 1671/196 (8.53) rolls for the length of a shooter's hand is not a probability but it is close to 63%.
    The median is 6.
    Donald Catlin did the math on this years ago in Feb 2000.
    Length of a Shooter's Hand Math


    So the bet for the shooter is to roll at least 10 rolls without a 7out.

    Let us look at a few roll numbers for an Even Money payout.

    At 6 rolls or less we have a 50.2789% chance of happening.
    7out on the 7th roll or higher: 49.7211%
    One can do the math on this to see a HE of .5578259%

    At 7 rolls or less we have a 57.0956% chance of happening.
    7out on the 8th roll or higher: 42.9044%
    One can do the math on this to see a HE of 14.1911787%

    At 8 rolls or less we have a 62.9809% chance of happening.
    7out on the 9th roll or higher: 37.0191%
    One can do the math on this to see a HE of 25.9617303%

    At 9 rolls or less we have a 68.0609% chance of happening.
    7out on the 10th roll or higher: 31.9391%
    One can do the math on this to see a HE of 36.1218603%

    At 10 rolls or less we have a 72.4453% chance of happening.
    7out on the 11th roll or higher: 27.5547%
    One can do the math on this to see a HE of 44.8906876%. Niceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

    At a 2 to 1 payout we can get more creative
    House Edge
    past 9 rolls: 4.1827904%
    past 10 rolls: 17.3360314%

    Why do I know this stuff?
    I use this bet against DI shooters.
    I make it a friendly bet that they will 7out by the 10th roll. 10 rolls they win, 9 or less I win and sometimes when I see them rolling great I make it 2 out of 3 to get past 11 rolls
    I use the even money payout, sometimes 1.5 times when the bet gets over $100
    I have made some great money on this over the years. Even from friends.

    Again, great side bet idea
    Good Luck!
     
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  18. goatcabin, Jan 13, 2013

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    That's 8.52 per hand, 3.375 rolls per passline decision.

    Did a simulation once:
    mean 8.519
    median 6
    mode 3

    Of 65535 hands, 47319 had 10 or fewer rolls, or 72.2%, so even money would be very unfair.
    Closest thing to even would be 2-6 throws, 50.21%
    more than 6 49.8%

    Cheers,
    Alan Shank
     
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  19. The Midnight Skulker, Jan 14, 2013

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    Of course even money on 10 rolls would be usurious, but consistent with side bets, eh?
     
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  20. goatcabin, Jan 14, 2013

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    Not really. The house advantage would be about 40%, and you wouldn't even have a big payoff. The Fire Bet has around a 25% HA, but you are paying for the chance for that big payoff. On a $1 bet, the SD would be just $.90, so you're not even getting variance. The proposition bets, generally, have high house edges because of their volatility.

    If this bet paid 2 to 1, it would be like the "Any 7", an edge of 16.7%, with an SD of 1.344 of the bet amount. The Any 7 bet has an SD of 1.86 X bet. For comparison the bet on "midnight" has an HA of 13.9%, but an SD of 5.09 X bet.
    Cheers,
    Alan Shank
     
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