Modifying Your CRAPS Play

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  1. James Hall, Sep 19, 2018

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    Because the "Brain Trusts" know they cannot
    prove a negative , the next best "Attack on reality"
    is an attempt at trivializing the claim by saying
    it can't be proven without hours and hours and hours
    of testing. This DOES NOT disprove the claim
    but people with lesser powers of observation
    have a tendency to believe the negative intent
    of the naysayer HAS BEEN proven.
     
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  2. eagleeye2, Sep 19, 2018

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    TBD,

    To each his own, observe & act, but do so at your own peril!

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  3. The Comeback Kid, Sep 19, 2018

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    To modify is to be clever.
    But modification can backfire & make you look stupid.
    So to not modify is smart, but unclever.
    But to avoid the appearance of stupidity is smart,
    so better not to modify.
    But then one suffers from uncleverness.
    Therefore, to be happy is to be stupid &
    to be stupid is to be clever.
    So let us modify our modifications &
    continue to be happy & cleverly stupid.
    I hope I’ve cleared things up.
     
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  4. KokomoJoe4, Sep 19, 2018

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    Well, you've stated things a bit more eloquently than EE2, but you are saying the same thing he did - either change your play, or don't do so.

    That seems to cover everything, and I'm sure we are all a bit wiser having had the experience.:rolleyes:
     
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  5. eagleeye2, Sep 19, 2018

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    Koko,

    It's quite ELEMENTARY:

    1) If one is happy with their CASINO CRAPS PLAY, WHY CHANGE A SINGLE THING?

    2) If, however, if one Wishes to IMPROVE their CASINO CRAPS PLAY, they must CHANGE SOMETHING, going forward!

    3) Like I have stated; To each his own, observe & act, as things apply directly to yourself.

    5) After all, most are here to IMPROVE their CASINO CRAPS PLAY.

    eagleeye2
     
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  6. twodicebilly, Sep 19, 2018

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    But if I begin to think like you, then I am just not going to the casino to play craps
    anymore.....that is no answer.

    the reason I play is because they give you the dice and say beat us if you can....
    NOw there are guys that are much smarter than I am that feel they can beat them
    with a very complicated betting system...….good for them....I am not smart enough

    But I can still work and for me that has meant countless hours of practice....they
    keep changing the tables so this is getting harder to win, but not so much harder
    that it cant be done......if and I say if......they could manage the dice to always
    keep you from winning......well I would quit, and so would anyone else.

    They got a bubble craps machine in Bowler......the first 6 months it was beatable
    and people played, but many still lost...….they changed a chip.....now no one
    wins and no one plays......ever...…. a typical craps table will have a take between
    13-19% of the play...… at many casino's that is a good deal of money, and it also
    brings people in the casino....almost every advertisement you see shows craps
    Based on what you say, they could set it up where no one could win...….I dont see
    it, it would cost the casino way to much


    tdb
     
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  7. eagleeye2, Sep 19, 2018

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    tbd,

    The only objection I have with your Post is just where did I state what you post in your summary, i.e.
    ""Based on what you say, they could set it up where no one could win...….I dont see it, it would cost the
    casino way to much"" tdb[

    Recall; it's your $$$ at risk, observe & act or not, but do so at your own peril!

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  8. twodicebilly, Sep 19, 2018

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    You keep saying that......what should we do......not play...…..if the casino
    is a crooked as you say they are, why do you play...it is not possible to win.

    I win a lot......so now what.

    To me it just does not make any sense...they have changed the tables legally,many
    are way to bouncy to use dice sets or shots to beat, they have made the pyramids
    much larger so both dice can not hit them with the same affect, the tables we play on today
    are no where near what we played on 30 years ago... they have done all this to make it harder
    to win......why would they do all this and then screw around with the dice on top of that, the
    very thing that could be checked legally????????

    I have proven to myself with the amount of times I have spoken to and with casino personal
    when they were testing the dice.....I have yet to see a single casino test for balance
    correctly....zero...….the dice in many cases are off balance.... but that is because how they
    are made without care, not because they were ordered to be......

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  9. eagleeye2, Sep 19, 2018

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    TBD,

    I have never seen a Casino TEST for Die Balance with a Dice Balancing Caliper, period.

    The DIE Manufacturing process today is highly accurate, so much so that I believe most dice manufactured today are Balanced.

    Several years ago, I purchased Three Sleeves of ""Casino Quality Dice on the internet, from separate vendors. Each set was a different Color & reported to be from different manufacturers. I performed Weight, Measurement & Balance tests on each of the 15 DIE & found all to be well within specifications & NONE were what I considered UNBALANCED, when tested on a Dice Balancing Caliper.

    Yes, I used a Metric Micrometer, Fractional Electronic Gram Scale & Dice Balancing Caliper in these tests.

    My surprise was in how uniform these dice were within the sleeves of five.

    This lead me to evaluate Casino Use of Weight Biased Dice. I found sufficient circumstantial & COUNT evidence that some Casino's, in fact were employing BIASED DICE. This led to my conclusion that at least one DIE manufacturer found a way to produce Weight Biased DICE.

    With all of the specifications on DICE used in the game of Casino Craps, Differential Density appears to give Weight Bias to dice so manufactured.

    All can take it for what it is, but IMHO, if you play CRAPS with your own $$$, you should understand how to evaluate a CRAPS TABLE for use of BIASED DICE.

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  10. yacraps, Sep 19, 2018

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    ...that depends on how you bet it o_O
     
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  11. eagleeye2, Sep 19, 2018

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    yacraps,

    Kindly explain!

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  12. yacraps, Sep 19, 2018

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    what is your win goal and bank session?
     
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  13. yacraps, Sep 19, 2018

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    E-2 ..maybe that ? was to personal...so lets say I have 900 to bet my win goal is to hit 1 parlay on the dont side and try to win 900,your first bet is 300 if you win let it ride if you win the second time you make like tt3 to the cashier cage..if you blow the first 300 you still got 2 more shots
     
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  14. twodicebilly, Sep 20, 2018

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    so you believe the casino is shaving the dice, good for you, play bingo!!!!!

    as I have said I dont worry about it, I adjust my sets to what I am getting
    on table at the time I am there..... the only thing I have to worry about at the
    table is paying attention to what I am doing...…

    The one thing I am NOT going to do is blame the dice every time I lose, the
    reason for that is simple, if I find an excuse for losing,i will not try as hard to
    win.

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  15. eagleeye2, Sep 20, 2018

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    yacraps,

    Looks like you lose that $900 frequently, but if it works for you continue to do it!

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  16. eagleeye2, Sep 20, 2018

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    TBD,

    I have never implied that Casino's were ""shaving the dice""as you post.

    Sorry that you have NOT comprehended what I Posted.

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  17. twodicebilly, Sep 20, 2018

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    you said this....
    The DIE Manufacturing process today is highly accurate, so much so that I believe most dice manufactured today are Balanced.

    Several years ago, I purchased Three Sleeves of ""Casino Quality Dice on the internet, from separate vendors. Each set was a different Color & reported to be from different manufacturers. I performed Weight, Measurement & Balance tests on each of the 15 DIE & found all to be well within specifications & NONE were what I considered UNBALANCED, when tested on a Dice Balancing Caliper.

    Yes, I used a Metric Micrometer, Fractional Electronic Gram Scale & Dice Balancing Caliper in these tests.

    My surprise was in how uniform these dice were within the sleeves of five.

    This lead me to evaluate Casino Use of Weight Biased Dice. I found sufficient circumstantial & COUNT evidence that some Casino's, in fact were employing BIASED DICE. This led to my conclusion that at least one DIE manufacturer found a way to produce Weight Biased DICE.


    Great when you find that casino that found that plant manufactured that that found a way to produce biased dice.


    let me know....

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  18. twodicebilly, Sep 20, 2018

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    you said this....
    The DIE Manufacturing process today is highly accurate, so much so that I believe most dice manufactured today are Balanced.

    Several years ago, I purchased Three Sleeves of ""Casino Quality Dice on the internet, from separate vendors. Each set was a different Color & reported to be from different manufacturers. I performed Weight, Measurement & Balance tests on each of the 15 DIE & found all to be well within specifications & NONE were what I considered UNBALANCED, when tested on a Dice Balancing Caliper.

    Yes, I used a Metric Micrometer, Fractional Electronic Gram Scale & Dice Balancing Caliper in these tests.

    My surprise was in how uniform these dice were within the sleeves of five.

    This lead me to evaluate Casino Use of Weight Biased Dice. I found sufficient circumstantial & COUNT evidence that some Casino's, in fact were employing BIASED DICE. This led to my conclusion that at least one DIE manufacturer found a way to produce Weight Biased DICE.


    Great when you find that list of casinos that found that plant that can manufactured bias dice let me know.

    I have seen many casino's try to check for balance and to date not a single one has done it correctly......your not looking very hard.




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  19. eagleeye2, Sep 20, 2018

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    tbd,

    What you are missing is that Casino's talk to each other......

    I have verified by COUNT TECHNIQUE, the use of Biased Dice at numerous Casino's, including many in Las Vegas!

    I have also observed Casino's in Las Vegas, where I have NEVER seen Biased Dice in use.

    What you are missing, is an opportunity to avoid those Casino's, THAT AT TIMES EMPLOY Biased Dice to enhance their TAKE on a CRAPS TABLE.

    Then again, it could be that you only play @ Casino's that do NOT employ Biased Dice, either by your WIN RATIO there, or by luck.

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  20. James Hall, Sep 20, 2018

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    Why don't you post a list of
    casinos to play and
    casinos to avoid ??
    That might be helpful information
     
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