Missing the TREND

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  1. James Hall, Oct 9, 2018

    James Hall

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    Now see when I first read your post , I thought ,
    This guy TDVegas is even more clueless than I thought.
    Then I thought , no he is just posting this silly crap
    in an effort to establish some degree of relevance.
    With each post you expose more and more inexperience.
    What becomes quite obvious , is the fact that growing up you never
    participated in any team sports , such as football , where
    after a game the coach would key up the tapes and go thru an
    extensive , "CHALK TALK" where he would point out
    good plays and also mistakes that given players might
    have made.
    These , "CHALK TALKS" are quite valuable in as much as
    they are great learning tools , pointing out what a person
    might have done better , or perhaps might have pointed
    out something that he might have done instead of what he did
    in given situations.
    Reviewing a given session and pin pointing what a person
    could have done to enhance his win or preventing a loss
    is a great thing if you know how.
    You inability to understand these things is in part why
    you find it impossible to remain net positive for
    any length of time.
    Past experience is a valuable thing , it could
    over a period of time help you avoid making the same mistakes
    over and over and over again.
    The refusal to do these things is exactly why you remain net negative.
    You might want to think about that.
     
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  2. James Hall, Oct 9, 2018

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    Exactly right , I take advantage of both.
    It's really quite simple when you understand the full process.
    The best of both worlds makes the game much more lucrative.
    OK , I see you have some confusion about DI , betting trends or both.
    Actually I employ both DI and trend betting at the same time
    Which makes it even easier to walk away from a session with greater
    profits.
    DI is not a betting strategy it is how you handle the dice then you
    incorporate that ,(DI) into your overall game.

    I generally do not bet on other players , that is too expensive,
    Generally I bet only when I have the dice , while throwing the dice
    I BET THE TRENDS THAT MY TOSS PRODUCES.
     
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  3. James Hall, Oct 9, 2018

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    Of all the people I have communicated with over the years
    you need the help more than any.
    I have never run across anyone as chronically NEGATIVE as you.
    It would appear that you have never had a positive thought in your life.
    You are like one guy I knew at one time. He was damned near
    as negative as you are . Nothing was ever right , everything he touched
    turned to , "$#^*T" (his words) , and "he never got a break"
    One day he even told me
    "I have waited all my life and nobody has ever given me a break"

    I told him Successful people don't wait for opportunities
    they create their own.
    He made some SNIDE REMARK and I have not seen him since.
     
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  4. TDVegas, Oct 9, 2018

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    That would apply to such things like a QB and WR not picking up on the fact that the defensive back is backing off the line of scrimmage too far...so next time let's use quick slant patterns.

    Unless dice results are coming up the exact same in the next session, time after time, session after session..your advice of "do this next time based on last session results"....is useless.

    Football isn't craps. Football isn't a roll of two dice bouncing.

    Your argument is stupid....unless the same pattern of results happen time after time. Anyone with a brain knows this will not happen session to session.

    There is no useful data that can be applied for next time.

    If your boys know they roll certain numbers and are NOT betting them or don't know how to bet them?....find new boys. These are dumb.

    All hat no cattle....You've surrounded yourself with. Lead on.
     
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  5. Mssthis1, Oct 9, 2018

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    This is edited video of the best of the best of craps players "Chalk Talking" wouda, couda, shouda on previous craps sessions.

     
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    This is edited video of the best of the best of craps players "Chalk Talking" wouda, couda, shouda on previous craps sessions.

     
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  7. James Hall, Oct 9, 2018

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    It seems you have memorized some statements from a
    book on football , you are obviously a fan
    too bad you could not have played.


    Your post was nothing more than a reinforcement of your
    misunderstanding of the game of craps.
    You would be a prime candidate for , "LTWOQ"
    However I think others would agree that with your history
    in the game you should find professional help and , JUST QUIT.
    Save the money , see some of the shows Vegas offers.
    As far as the Mesa guys are concerned , don't worry about them
    they regularly practicing and doing fine , they are winning.
    The Mesa guys have neither HATS nor CATTLE.
    What else ya got.
     
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  8. James Hall, Oct 9, 2018

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    TDVegas and his , "GROUP of INSIDERS" are not the best
    of the best , they are not even , "THE BEST OF THE WORST"
    hell ,they aren't even as good as you are.
     
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  9. James Hall, Oct 9, 2018

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    When you read that , who explained to you what a QB and WR is??
     
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  10. TDVegas, Oct 9, 2018

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    Didn’t think you would have a logical rebuttal. Never surprised.
     
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  11. James Hall, Oct 9, 2018

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    The rebuttal was fine you just will not accept the fact that
    it is possible to win and that there are people doing it.
    You simply respond to that uncontrollable need of yours
    to , "PUSH BACK" against any and all posts that even
    hint at the possibility of winning .
    You promised / threatened that 2 years ago
     
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  12. TDVegas, Oct 9, 2018

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    I merely stated to you that using what happened on a previous day on the table offers no insight into the next day. You aren’t going to see the same pattern of results.

    To suggest “this is what you saw today”....”so tomorrow will work better because we have noted your mistakes”....has no relevance UNLESS one knows the same outcomes will happen.

    If one knows the same outcomes will happen...he doesn’t need a tutor for betting. If he can’t figure it out himself...he probably shouldn’t be gambling. Sort of like you.
     
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  13. The Midnight Skulker, Oct 9, 2018

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    Like I said, a positive attitude is good. Basic Sevens posted Walter D. Wintle's "Thinking" poem some years back. You will notice I gave it a "like". Nevertheless, I must emphasize the last verse.
    In your post I quoted above you say, "People will lose because of what they do while playing. It is generally what they don't do that causes the biggest loses, the bets they should have made and didn't." (Forgive my reformatting.) I suggest the flip side also applies: people lose because of the bets they made but should not have. A positive attitude that does not recognize when the current battle is not going to the stronger and/or faster man can leave that man thinking he could still win if only he had the resources to fight on. Your frequent past statements that you can lose only $42/session strongly suggest to me that you acknowledge that a wack-a-wow is not always in the celluloid despite implying in the current context that all it takes to win is (rearranging your words from above) knowing before the game starts exactly what you should do, and while the game is going on knowing exactly what you should be doing.
     
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  14. James Hall, Oct 9, 2018

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    One time some months ago TDVegas said , to me
    "The majority of the people on this forum agree with me"
    tragically , he is absolutely correct.

    The majority on this forum firmly believe that only thru a
    combination of circumstantial events working by chance
    can a win occur. They seem to believe that there is nothing a person can do,
    no influence he can introduce

    that will have any effect on the final outcome , win or lose.
    TDVegas has said , "In craps there is no skill , there is only luck"

    These same people play for days , weeks , months even years
    piling up loss after loss always remaining net negative.
    All this begs 2 questions
    1) Why do they continue playing a game they expect to lose?? .
    2) How can they find that entertaining ??

    My guess is if they ever figured these things out there would
    be far fewer of us playing...... only winners..... till they removed the game from the casinos
     
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  15. TDVegas, Oct 9, 2018

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    This might have more relevance and meaning if you yourself weren’t holed up in a darkened room in the bowels of Mesa, typing away 24/7....100’s of miles and hours and hours away from the nearest place to put it to use.

    Those who can...do. Those who can’t make minimal $5 bets, run after the first 7 out and play once a year.

    Do as I say...not as I do...right?
     
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  16. James Hall, Oct 9, 2018

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    but it does , over a period of time a skilled player who practices
    frequently and pays attention can see and knows how to react
    to changing situations and sequences of events.
    The pattern may be slightly different but with practice and paying attention
    a player can see the pattern and know what he should do to take advantage of it.
    He will have specific numbers that appear more frequently , he knows
    what he must do.
    Again a skilled shooter knows he will have
    certain numbers occurring more frequently than others
    he may not recognize that early enough , by reviewing the
    session he can be more aware of what to look for.
    The exact same outcomes are not necessary , paying attention
    and learning to recognize the patterns is , that comes from
    practice and review .
    To learn anything is done more easily with someone
    who has developed the skill , shortcuts a lot of wasted time
    wading thru a lot of trial and error.
    There are certainly people who should never gamble
    they have no measurable skill set so they have no way
    to improve. There are others of us who are doing fine and
    frequent the casinos as situations dictate.
     
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  17. James Hall, Oct 9, 2018

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    but it does , over a period of time a skilled player who practices
    frequently and pays attention can see and knows how to react
    to changing situations and sequences of events.
    The pattern may be slightly different but with practice and paying attention
    a player can see the pattern and know what he should do to take advantage of it.
    He will have specific numbers that appear more frequently , he knows
    what he must do.
    Again a skilled shooter knows he will have
    certain numbers occurring more frequently than others
    he may not recognize that early enough , by reviewing the
    session he can be more aware of what to look for.
    The exact same outcomes are not necessary , paying attention
    and learning to recognize the patterns is , that comes from
    practice and review .
    To learn anything is done more easily with someone
    who has developed the skill , shortcuts a lot of wasted time
    wading thru a lot of trial and error.
    There are certainly people who should never gamble
    they have no measurable skill set so they have no way
    to improve. There are others of us who are doing fine and
    frequent the casinos as situations and circumstance dictate.
     
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  18. James Hall, Oct 9, 2018

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    but it does , over a period of time a skilled player who practices
    frequently and pays attention can see and knows how to react
    to changing situations and sequences of events.
    The pattern may be slightly different but with practice and paying attention
    a player can see the pattern and know what he should do to take advantage of it.
    He will have specific numbers that appear more frequently , he knows
    what he must do.
    Again a skilled shooter knows he will have
    certain numbers occurring more frequently than others
    he may not recognize that early enough , by reviewing the
    session he can be more aware of what to look for.
    The exact same outcomes are not necessary , paying attention
    and learning to recognize the patterns is , that comes from
    practice and review .
    To learn anything is done more easily with someone
    who has developed the skill , shortcuts a lot of wasted time
    wading thru a lot of trial and error.
    There are certainly people who should never gamble
    they have no measurable skill set so they have no way
    to improve. There are others of us who are doing fine and
    frequent the casinos as situations and circumstance dictate.
     
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  19. James Hall, Oct 9, 2018

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    That's what I meant by what they do, The biggest problem
    some people have is their first priority is to play to lose less.
    They bet the 6 & 8 , Many times they don't have enough money
    on the table to do any good . For some reason they don't realize
    the 4 - 5 - 9 and 10 might also come up
    So what they DO is limit their bets to lose less and it causes
    an equal and opposite effect , they win less and wind up losing
    Wowwhacker will happen.
    For me to drop the $42 I would normally have to 7 out within the first 4 rolls.
    has it happened? A couple years ago on a three day trip , twice.

    I have been playing the game over 50 years
    Based on my toss I know what to do to come out ahead.
    My betting strategies have rules based on my average outcome spread.
    The rule in one strategy requires me to full press every number rolled
    till I have hit a given number the third time , then I am to reduce
    every thing down to one unit.
    Another strategy will have me press longer and reduce in a different way
    Each time I do this I will generally have my money back plus a profit.
    If I lose the $42 it is very easy to recover.
    My discipline will not allow me to chase losses ,
    I am happy to answer questions but this forum is a difficult way to do so
    If you are interested you are welcome to call me
     
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  20. James Hall, Oct 9, 2018

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    Are you still laboring under the misconception that I live in Mesa???

    Those hundreds of miles and hours and hours would be quite a problem
    if I was anchored to the ground as you are , I'm not
    so those miles and hours and hours ZIP BY pretty swiftly.

    From here to Vegas and back is a snap we can leave here at 5:30 AM
    play 3 or 4 hours and be back before dark.
    The travel time will be even shorter now with the delivery
    of the twin engine Piper.

    You still have not fully grasped the situation , Parker the guys
    and I don't have to live near a casino 15 minutes by bicycle
    It is not necessary we are not chasing losses , we are not
    caught up in an endless battle trying to recoup losses.
    Maybe you should just give it up , you are not going
    to get your money back , cut your losses and move back home
     
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