Match Play

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  1. JimRockford, Apr 3, 2018

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    A nearby casino recently gave me a massive upgrade in match play comps. They are now offering me $300 match play, up to five times a week.

    Given my current bankroll, risking $300 on a single bet would be somewhat reckless. (my current roll is around $1700). So I asked a pit boss if I could break it up into 6x$50 coupons. He hemmed and hawed but then reluctantly agreed, called the cage and sent me over.

    So, I got the smaller coupons, but it felt like they were doing me a favor. My question is: are they doing me a favor? Is this a routine request that casinos generally agree to, or should I expect pushback when I turn up there this weekend to use the $300 on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday each? (and many more times the rest of the month)
     
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  2. von duck, Apr 3, 2018

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    We can give you ways to use the match play coupons, that will almost guarantee you, you will get "push back" :) what is your game plan for the coupons?:cool:
     
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  3. JimRockford, Apr 3, 2018

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    Nothing special. Break it up into 50s (if they'll allow it) and play them on the pass line.
     
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  4. The Midnight Skulker, Apr 3, 2018

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    Before I can make any suggestions I need the answer to two questions:
    • Are the coupons restricted to even money bets, or can they be used on any bet (e.g. buy, lay)?
    • What is your primary goal: maximum guaranteed profit, maximum expected profit, or something else?
    In The Before Time a regular poster with the handle MoneyLA, although he also posted as alan, raised a similar question, the difference was that he had promo chips which were retained if they won. I presume your coupons are one offs, win or lose, but if that is not the case it makes a big difference.
     
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    My wife and I encountered similar situations / problems with CET in AC -

    Until I was advised that I could go the cashier's cage and convert a $25 or $50 FREE PLAY coupon into smaller denominations -

    I felt like I was being prostituted and having to upgrade my wagering style to utilize these " Freebies " -

    Furthermore - after printing out the coupon at the kiosk and taking same to the cashier's cage -

    I could then request either table play - or - slot play and also specify which denomination my coupons were presented to me -

    e.g. - Say I had a $50 Free Play voucher - I could request 10 vouchers at $5 each and - ALSO - request either for Table Play -

    or Slot Play - OR - a combination of BOTH !


    Different houses have different rules - so you must inquire - either at the cashier's cage - OR - at the Players' Rewards Center desk !

    $...eE..$
     
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  6. JimRockford, Apr 4, 2018

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    Ok, thanks. I guess I'll just go straight to the cage and see if that works. Hopefully they will be as flexible as the cage folks at CET were for you.
     
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  7. random_roller, Apr 4, 2018

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    When match play coupons are restricted to even money bets, I usually play the larger ones at the baccarat table. House edge is 1.06% Banker Bet, 1.24% Player Bet, both of which are lower than the HE on PL/DP bets without odds. If you play the EZ Baccarat version (no commission, 3 card Banker 7 "win" is a push), HE is 1.02% on the Banker Bet. Outside of max coin VP on a machine with a favorable payout table and perfect play, that's about as good as it gets in a casino (unless you're good at sports betting, which is currently limited to NV casinos).

    Good luck at the tables. Don't let the match play coupons manipulate you into betting substantially more than you otherwise would.
     
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  8. von duck, Apr 4, 2018

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    Let's say it's even money only, what's the guy's best GUARANTEED walk off, with a $300 match play, and how does he do it. :) Last time OAP had the best strategy, but that was a free play, not match play. The key word here is GUARANTEED! :cool:
     
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    It is only for even money bets. Craps is really the only casino game I play, so I wouldn't want to take it blackjack or baccarat for the sake of a few tenths of a point. I'll get this offer up to five times a week. I won't be able to take advantage of it that often, but I think i could get there 8-10 times through the rest of the month.

    Breaking it into $50 segments would give me somewhere around 50-60 $50 match play bets. That seems like enough iterations to flatten out the percentages and give me a reasonable shot at being around or just under 50% on the pass line, right?
     
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  10. KokomoJoe4, Apr 4, 2018

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    If someone gave me $300, I'd put it on a place bet where payment of vigorish is not needed, so that in the event of a loss, I have lost nothing instead of 5% of $300 (that's $15 Dave ;)).

    With a winning 5 or 9, I now have $720. With a winning 6 or 8, $650.

    Rack all your winnings paid in cheques, push out your paper onto the next number, or leave it where it was.

    All this from a player who has never carried a players card.
     
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  11. KokomoJoe4, Apr 4, 2018

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    If you must put out a similar wager with your own funds to "match" the given freebie, then my own method of comp use seems best to me. :rolleyes:
     
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  12. von duck, Apr 4, 2018

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    Take the $300 match play, plus $775 and your wife, or a trusted girlfriend, and go to the craps table. Have your wife place a $ 450 don't pass line bet, on one side of the table. You on the other side of the table, place a $300 pass line bet, plus the match, and also a $15 midnight. What's the worse that could happen? It's a "lock". If you can do it 8 times a month, not too bad.
    Please remember to send me, my 25% cut, each time you do it. :)
     
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  13. KokomoJoe4, Apr 4, 2018

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    Baron,

    Don't be a dumbass. Advise him to take both of these women.
     
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  14. random_roller, Apr 4, 2018

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    Not bad. OP would only need $765 per your scenario (unless the additional $10 is tip money for drinks). Another $5 ($20 total) on midnight covers the full $600 on the PL ($300 chips + $300 match play coupon) in the event a 12 is rolled. Yeah, I know the $300 match play coupon is "free", but I still hate losing it (or part of it) on a come out roll.
     
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    So I guess that the reason I need my wife and / or my girlfriend is that playing both the pass and the don't by myself would be...er.....frowned upon?
     
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    If the 12 is rolled, the don't is a push, and needn't be hedged. :cool: Not sure what would happen to the match, on a push. You might get to do it all over again. :) Originally I was going to put $25 on the twelve, but went with the minimum, and never took it out of the stake. In a free play match play situation, your best Guaranteed walk, would always be a little less than half of the free stuff, as profit. :cool: Minus my fee, of course. :D If you're playing for a sure winner, you only bet $450 on the pass, if you bet $600 and it goes don't, you push, minus the midnight.
     
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  17. random_roller, Apr 4, 2018

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    On a come out roll 12, the $300 PL bet & $300 match play coupon will be lost (since it was bet on the PL), while the $450 DP bet is a push. If the bettor also had a $15 midnight bet, he/she would win $450 on that bet, netting $150 chips ($450 - $300), plus the option to take down the remaining bets ($15 midnight, $450 DP) before the next roll since the match play coupon is gone.

    If bettor has $20 midnight bet (other bets same as above) and a 12 was rolled, that's a $300 net ($600 - $300).
     
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  18. von duck, Apr 4, 2018

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    Worse than that, they might give you the cattle prod. In any case, playing it to a sure winner, will probably get you off their mailing list. Just telling you, got me a dozen "server errors". :D
     
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    The crew can figure out what's going on if you're using a $300 match play coupon and someone else at the table is betting $450 DP. How many $450 DP (flat) bets have you ever seen at the table? Very few and far between, I'm guessing. Now, if you're working with $50 match play coupons, it's believable that another (unrelated) player at the table might make a $75 DP bet. I see $100 DP bets at $25 tables on occasion.
     
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  20. Mssthis1, Apr 4, 2018

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    You could hedge the larger match play bet by making both a Banker and Player bet in a fashion similar to the dewey don't strategy that is being talked about. Preferably on a commission free game.

    I have played both the player and banker at the same time before running a D'Alembert on both bets.
     
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