Live Craps coming to phoenix

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  1. von duck, Feb 21, 2018

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    Let's compromise, we'll call it I-13, perfect right? :D
     
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  2. Speedracer7, Feb 21, 2018

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    I live in Arizona and travel the route that would be used for I-19 and it already has some substantial sections of it ready for an Interstate highway. There is even a sign at one end in the Interstate format that says "Future I-19".......but that is as far as it goes. Are you a Cleveland, Ohio resident?
     
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    I want to thank everyone in advance for googling I-11!
     
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    They'll build the Bullet Train from Phoenix to Vegas before they build the I-19.
    Maybe the Train will run along the 19
     
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  5. The Midnight Skulker, Feb 21, 2018

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    If anyone asked me I'd suggest rail. At just under 300 miles by road you're looking at a four-hour drive one way. Seems like you could shave that to close to three by straightening out the route and eliminating traffic. There would also be the potential of extending to Tucson.

    Edit addition: I see great minds think alike, AzDice.
     
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  6. random_roller, Feb 22, 2018

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    Looking at the cost/benefit for offering traditional (live) craps, as an outsider looking in I'd say it's probably not going to happen in Arizona. Traditional (live) craps is labor intensive and takes up floor space that could be used for more profitable electronic gaming devices. In addition, the current ban on traditional craps would have to be overturned, either by the voters or state legislature. Select AZ casinos (and the AZ legislature) are probably keeping an eye on the sports betting case currently being decided by the Supreme Court case (Christie v. NCAA). I'd say that is a more appealing area to pursue for AZ casinos if PASPA is overturned.
     
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  7. random_roller, Feb 22, 2018

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    I used to live in Ohio years ago.
     
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    We can't even get (true) high speed rail in the densely populated NE corridor (Washington, D.C. to Boston), Texas (Austin, DFW, Houston), or California (Bay Area, Sacramento, LA, San Diego), all of which seem like more viable areas for such a project when compared with Phoenix-Las Vegas.
     
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  9. Speedracer7, Feb 22, 2018

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    Me too......... Cleveland..........worked for Higbee's in the same building that is now a casino. Still a fan of the Indians and the Browns.
     
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  10. random_roller, Feb 22, 2018

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    I recall you mentioning you had worked at Higbee's in another thread. I had answered a question you had posted asking about Jack Casino (last year I believe). You were going to be in town for an Indians game, if memory serves.

    The Indians are finding new ways to break my heart. Perhaps this will finally be the year the World Series drought ends. The Browns are in danger of becoming the 4th best football team in the state.
     
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  11. The Midnight Skulker, Feb 22, 2018

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    I have been acquainted with many then-current- and ex-residents of Cleveland. I do not remember any of them being anything other than fanatically loyal to the city. Maybe it's because Cleveland has a bad rep for some reason? Don't know. I got no bad vibes when I was there on a business trip a couple decades ago. The clerk at the underground (or whatever it's called) was extremely helpful getting me and a female companion (also from out of town) on the correct train to the Rock N' Roll Hall of Fame.
     
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    I loved my time in Cleveland. Lots of really down to earth, hard-working, honest people. Home to one of the best hospitals (Cleveland Clinic) and orchestras (Cleveland Orchestra) in the world.

    Unfortunately, Cleveland got a bum rap in large part to Johnny Carson's constant bashing while he was host of The Tonight Show. A rust belt city going through difficult times made for an all-too easy target. Not saying some of the criticism wasn't deserved. It didn't help matters that the Cuyahoga River caught fire (it was that polluted) in 1969 or the kid mayor (Dennis Kucinich) in the late 70s was cursed with unworldly incompetence. In 1978, Cleveland defaulted on loans, the first US city to do so since the Great Depression.

    The plight of the local professional sports teams only made things worse. The Indians were the joke of MLB from the mid-60s until mid-1990s. The Cavaliers were run so poorly under owner Ted Stepien that the NBA stopped the Cleveland front office from making any more trades without prior league approval. At the time, the standing joke amongst NBA General Managers was they had to get off the phone because Cleveland's front office might be trying to call with a proposed (one-sided) trade. The Browns invented new ways (the drive, the fumble) to send other teams to the Super Bowl. Finally, the Cleveland Barons (NHL) folded in 1978.

    A lot positive changes in downtown Cleveland have occurred over the years in the past 25 years. Progressive Field (Indians), Quicken Loans Arena (Cavs), FirstEnergy Stadium (Browns), Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, Jack Cleveland Casino -- all have opened since 1994. The RTA has a rail line that goes from the airport to Tower City Center on Public Square in downtown. Jack Cleveland Casino occupies the former Higbee's Building, which is a part of Tower City Center. So you can take the Red Line and easily get from Cleveland Hopkins International Airport to Jack Cleveland Casino. No taxi needed (sorry!).
     
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  13. von duck, Feb 22, 2018

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    Considering their totally SORRY safety record I this country, you gonna ride a train across tha Colorado River Gorge? I don't think so.
     
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  14. random_roller, Feb 22, 2018

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    Smart or not, the US doesn't emphasize -- or fund -- passenger rail transportation anywhere close to what is done in Europe or Asia (China, Japan). Sure, part has to do with population density and geography, but more with Americans infatuation with cars. With the exception of certain trackage in the NE corridor, Amtrak operates on rail lines owned, controlled (signaling), and worn down by freight railroads. As a result, there are far too many grade crossings, along with route congestion and deferred maintenance issues.
     
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    The RTA is apparently what we took to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. My company's office, where we were conducting our business, was in (what was then) Erieview Plaza. Now that you mention it I believe Idid take the train from the airport to the Ritz Carlton, which was basically across an atrium to our office, and just down the hall from where the Cavs played their home game. Did venture outside (other than the trip to the HoF), but don't remember anything about those forays.
     
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    I have to agree with you. I would add too that there seem to be fewer and fewer craps players...........as most do not understand the game and may be reluctant to take the time to learn.
     
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    Yes.....correct on all counts.........and we were at the Indians game on the 4th of July when they played the Padres (worst team in the league).........and lost. The fireworks were good, however............some consolation..... :)
     
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    Luved Betty White and the show..;)
     
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    Great post.............and summary of Cleveland's recent past.......There is future potential for the city........and there are many dedicated Clevelanders working for a comeback. BTW..........I understand that Kucinich is making a run for Ohio governor!
     
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  20. von duck, Feb 23, 2018

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    Who in the "mortal hell", is Kucinich?:confused: :)
     
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