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Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by harrythewit, Mar 25, 2019.

  1. twodicebilly, Apr 13, 2019

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    That is true, I sure as hell have done that when my first hand or two dont produce
    what I would like and then next hand is a barn burner and you think why did I not trust
    it.

    But the other side is also true, having way to much money on the table when the numbers are
    not hitting...or your shot is not where you want it.

    when I am playing craps and uncertain or when I am playing BJ and the count is against
    me I dont mind at all playing $5....when the count is good, much more.

    If Top and TDV dont like the way you bet...screw um...……..

    Play your game and take the money home.

    TDB
     
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  2. James Hall, Apr 13, 2019

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    Forwarding yet another great misconception that results in
    devastating losses for those who do not understand the
    two essentials of winning at craps.
    One thing that must be understood is that in the long run
    it is not so much how you begin but rather how you finish.
    The idea that a player should dump his entire bankroll on
    one or two numbers in the beginning has led to the demise
    of more than just a few would be successful players.
     
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  3. James Hall, Apr 13, 2019

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    An understanding of his fact alone could be
    one avenue to more and bigger wins if more players
    would adopt and learn to use the principals , herein contained.
    Great point , Many players enter a session with their primary
    goal , playing to break even or to at least lose less.
    Many don't understand that playing with those goals in mind the
    best outcome is many times one of those hoped for goals
    lose a little or break even. The great tragedy is
    when that player meets one of those planned for outcomes
    he is headed for defeat.

    It is amazing to me , how little understanding some people have
    of the game of craps and what it takes to win.
    Because they are recreational players they fail to grasp the
    fact that it is not necessary to be always on a craps table
    to win. In fact the reality is , TABLE TIME benefits the house
    not the player.
    Of course I realize that many of those members of the
    "GROUP OF INSIDERS" are hard strapped to win
    so in an effort to save face they must badmouth and insult
    those of us who have the skill in an effort to trivialize the
    message that we bring to this board thus saving themselves
    some degree of embarrassment.
    This is a familiar and much repeated statement offered by
    members of the , "GROUP OF INSIDERS" often repeated
    in an effort to trivialize an offering that might fly in the face
    of their , "WEAK BUT FIRMLY HELD OPINIONS"
    Even tho not based in any truth they still repeat them often.
    VERY DISINGENUOUS at the very least
     
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  4. tabletop123, Apr 13, 2019

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    Okay...let's forget about dumping a ton of money on 1-2 numbers. Of you are a Dice Influencer. If your toss IS WORKING. IF you are playing on tables that fit YOUR toss, bet $180- $360 across on ALL of the numbers.

    It makes NO sense WHATSOEVER to be a highly skilled shooter, have EVERYTHING to YOUR liking, & CONTINUE to do that $5-$6 thingy.....UNLESS ( 1) your bankroll ain't worth two cents, (2) Your skill level REALLY ain't what you purport it to be, ( 3) You're a Scared, trembling dog when you wager more than $5-$6 per number.

    I've come to the conclusion that with most SO-CALLED Skilled Shooters....it's usually ALL OF THE ABOVE
     
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  5. James Hall, Apr 13, 2019

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    It is quite obvious and becomes more apparent each day
    with each of your posts exactly what level of skill you posses.
    There have been numerous times over the years where
    YOU HAVE SAID of and to yourself ,
    "DAMN I SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THAT"

    There have also been times when YOU HAVE SAID
    "Damn I was going to bet that"
    With training and more skill you could have accomplished
    those things instead of bitching at those of us who have and do.
    That is part of those repeaters that lead to the trends you
    railed so against in weeks past. Those trends that when bet
    are so profitable but that you still as yet have not figured out a
    way to capitalize upon.
    Yep you missed it , you miss them all . You never learn.
     
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  6. James Hall, Apr 13, 2019

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    It ISN'T a perfect world , it doesn't have to be.
    To win takes work , an investment in time , effort and energy.
    To win a person must , LEARN TO WIN.
    You still haven't learned
    "Winning isn't something that just happens ,
    Winning is something you do"

    You can't win by waiting for things to happen
    A winner MAKES THINGS HAPPEN.
     
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  7. James Hall, Apr 13, 2019

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    Truer words were never spoken. Shit happens
    Winners make GOOD THINGS HAPPEN
     
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  8. James Hall, Apr 13, 2019

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    The catch is
    You must have the betting strategy / skill to profit from these rolls '
    many / most players lack the skill to do so.
    Many grinders labor under many misconceptions and don't understand that
    "It is much easier to get ahead and win with larger wins
    than it is with smaller losses or even smaller wins"
    One of the chief causes for losing is the satisfaction
    with smaller wins.
     
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  9. James Hall, Apr 13, 2019

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    Many go broke playing craps because they play the wrong game.
    Those players seldom learn to use house money as a , "force multiplier"
    they have a tendency to constantly rack wins instead of reinvesting them.
     
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  10. James Hall, Apr 13, 2019

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    This is one of the main reasons you find it so difficult to win. Remember
    "It is much easier to come out ahead with larger wins".
     
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  11. TDVegas, Apr 13, 2019

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    That's only true for a chunker or recreational player such as yourself playing a negative expectation game. An advantage player...one playing craps with an advantage (akin to a blackjack card counter) wants as much time as possible on the tables.

    This is why no one sees you on a table....because you aren't playing craps with an advantage. You aren't even playing craps.

    The only thing preventing table time should be physical or mental fatigue...or in your case, playing a negative expectation game as a recreational player.

    Hell, you don't even play recreationally.
     
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  12. James Hall, Apr 13, 2019

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    This is why learning a skill is important. A skilled player with
    a sound betting strategy can profit more often in the long run
    than that player who bets and HOPES for good things to happen.
    Most unskilled players spend much of their time hoping that
    GOOD SHOOTER will come along , "That right time right place"
    you talk so much about.
    That might be what the math suggests but again the math is
    exactly why so many people are playing the ,
    wrong game / the game the casinos want you to play , known as the
    THE LOW HA WAY.
     
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  13. James Hall, Apr 13, 2019

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    You got it , "UPSIDE DOWN & BACKWARDS"
    Its not depends on outcomes it more correctly expressed is
    "OUTCOMES DEPEND ON THE SHOOTER"
     
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  14. James Hall, Apr 13, 2019

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    This is exactly why I start conservatively and make
    all my bigger bets with house money.
    When I get to this point I have all my money off the table
    and I am playing with house money.
    At that point the house , "CANNOT BEAT ME"
     
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  15. James Hall, Apr 13, 2019

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    Let's , betting a bunch on one or two numbers is risking
    way too much on way too few prospects.
    Way too risky , why risk $360 when I can risk $54 and
    reach the same goal with a lot less risk and in just slightly more time / minutes.
    Do you seriously think that you , TDVegas , Demango , gargoil and the rest of your
    group are the first that have ever confronted me with these arguments ??
    Over the years I have heard all this many many times. The thing that
    so many people fail to understand and what makes this
    work for me is what I call the , "PROCESS OF DUPLICATION"
    I can win amounts that equal or exceed those of people who make those
    $360 bets with a much smaller risk.

    Bankroll has never been a problem , I can find $42 in the cushions of my couch.
    My skill level is pretty much what I purported it to be and maybe even greater ,
    I have a tendency to be a bit more modest that what some would like to believe.



    Nope not a trembling dog , people who know me and the things I have been
    thru will tell you it takes an awful lot to cause even the slightest bit of concern.
    The thing is I play in such a manner that I take much of the risk out
    of the game by using , "THEIR MONEY" rather than my own.
    That could very well be true , like you , I have seen many many of those
    "SO-CALLED" skilled shooters in action , they do leave a bit to be desired.
    I feel that many of those "SO-CALLED" Skilled Shooters are actually
    totally unskilled trying to figure it all out while trying to
    become a self taught Skilled Shooter which we all know is
    "The Greates Exercise in Futility Known To Mankind"
    Being self taught is for all intents and purposes

    "Engaging in an effort to learn something from someone who
    knows nothing at all about the subject material"
    Thus , a very futile effort.
     
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  16. tabletop123, Apr 13, 2019

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    Lol.
     
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  17. James Hall, Apr 13, 2019

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    Not even you are simple enough to believe that , you know that
    one of the greatest reasons for people losing is they stay
    on the table too long. Time is on the side of the casino .
    Totally untrue and you know it , you just want to engage in
    another argument you can't win.
     
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  18. James Hall, Apr 13, 2019

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    You know none of this is true , I have even come to your
    favorite casino on several occasions to get on the table with you
    You weren't there and have made it quite clear you didn't want to meet up.
    You know this isn't true you have posted , many times , an opinion
    that totally contradicts this one you just posted.
    "BAZINGA" . You stumbled and stammered around and got one right
    I don't play recreationally . You know exactly the
    WHEN , WHY and the places WHERE we go to play.
    You don't like it but you know.
     
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  19. James Hall, Apr 13, 2019

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    Stick around and you too can LOL
    LEAN ON LEARNING
     
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  20. TDVegas, Apr 13, 2019

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    No, the greatest reason people lose is that they are playing a game where the casino short changes them on wins and takes it all on a loss. Vegas was built on this premise.

    "Time is on the side of the casino"....would apply to a random player. If a player has an advantage over the game or can establish an advantage...then he wants more table time, not less. You're just too dull to understand that.
     
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