Lied to by the indians once again

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  1. Ward

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    I was told by staff at wild horse pass casino that live craps was happening by end of 2017. Lied to once again as if my last name rhymed with duster. I post this in the hope that others will begin to see the blatant abuse being exercised by these casino owners. If the state allows mechanical craps, which at least 7 local casinos have the mechanical version up and running, then it is their choice,NOT the state, to withhold the live version. Why? Because the mechanical version can programmed to give the illusion of real craps. I have charted thousands of rolls. Enough that after employing Chi Square analysis it is so blatantly non random it is comical to attempt a counter arguement. The mech version is designed to slaughter the pass line players and it does so right infront of the players eyes: Horn numbers by the fist-full on the come-outs, points being made at an average of 1 in 10 opportunities, 85% of max and near max bets of ANY KIND resulting in player loss, virtually impossible settling of the dice, like you wouldnt believe if u didnt see it time and time again like i have. ( for ex. dice stopping on their points,) i mean on the point of the dice, so help me God. It goes on and on.
     
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    The deception is rampant and premeditated. Dont hit me with " LARGER SAMPLE SIZES" I dealt this game for 12 years. This is shear robbery without the guns. This is the reason no live craps is offered. You cant rig it like is being done with the mechanical machines. They should be arrested
     
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  3. tabletop123, Jan 8, 2018

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    Wrong! Try Murphy's Casino in North Carolina. Indian Casinos have no Accountability.
     
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  4. TDVegas, Jan 8, 2018

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    Mechanical or bubble craps is likely chosen because it is a MUCH cheaper game to run. Ergo....more profitable. No employees. No mistakes. I have been pounding this drum for some time now. Table craps.....wonderful game, but a dinosaur in terms of what it takes to run it in a 2018 world where PROFIT, PROFIT, PROFIT is the name of the game. 4 employees with salary, healthcare premiums, etc, etc....gets expensive.

    Bubble craps requires no dealer, no stickman, no boxman, no pit boss. It does not need employees to exchange your chips for cash. Hell, it needs no eye in the sky. It doesn't make mistakes. It's not prone to dealer/player cheating. If you think bubble craps can be rigged by unscrupulous owners....then I'll tell ya, all other games can be rigged, including table craps.

    My only suggestion...if you think bubble craps is rigged---note your findings and get a lawyer. There are many people that will play both live and bubble craps. Whenever I've asked them about the difference in results..most shrug their shoulders. Sure there are some who favor one over the other.

    I'm not sure about the laws in other states...but Nevada is clear. Both games must offer identical probabilities.

    I would honestly offer I don't think you would ever be convinced that bubble craps is a fair game. If true you have two options. Lawyer up and pursue action or quit playing bubble craps.

    I assume this is AZ you are talking about?

    If both are allowed, the likely tipping point on what to chose is the cost of running the game. Bubble craps will win that decision every time. It is what it is.
     
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  5. Liman

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    No avoid the bubbles whenever don’t go to any casino that offers it especially Indian casinos whether they are Native American casinos or owned by a guy named Singh
    Avoid the bubbles they will rob you blind!!!!!
     
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    Well said Liman, couldn't have said it
    you are not alone Ward. I too have seen the same shit, and in my case you don't don't even have to chart the rolls, just watch the dice settle. It is very obvious to any "untethered" observer. I can't say how the machine performs in NV, the one I've seen is very obviously fixed, and this time I'M the one who "likes" it.
     
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  7. DeMango, Jan 8, 2018

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    What is it about craps players, when they can play both sides of the coin, do they complain when something is bi-assed? I thought we played for a chance at money? Bet the horn if you have to! Don't pass! If chi square results say non random, go with what the table is giving! (Where have we heard this before?) So where is this money making machine? AZ? Where is the Mesa crew when you need them!
     
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  8. TDVegas, Jan 8, 2018

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    Because it seems the argument is that it doesn't matter. Whether there is 1 player on the bubble or 8 players...the computer will calculate ALL the wagers and figure out what needs to be rolled to ensure all will lose or at the very least "steal" the larger wagers and payoff the smaller wagers. I guess if half are betting right side and the other half dark side, the computer will do a calculation based on the amounts bet and "make sure" the higher denomination bets are losers.

    Whether they think magnets or puffs of air are inducing the wanted result for the casino...I have no idea.
     
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  9. DeMango, Jan 8, 2018

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    I don't disagree with this, but if 90% of the punters are on the pass line, and what the OP says is true, a slow steady profit should be made on the DP/DC.
     
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  10. TDVegas, Jan 8, 2018

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    Right...I'm not saying my suggestion of what they think has any real merit or common sense, but your idea would work for profit.

    I guess one would need to walk around the bubble and see what players are playing....then bet the opposite and for smaller wagers.
     
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  11. Mssthis1, Jan 8, 2018

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    There's a person at the local casino who always plays the opposite of what I do when i'm playing the Demango. He feels the bubble machine is rigged and he'll win if he bets opposite and smaller than I do. He's a broke donkey now.
     
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  12. Liman

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    stay away from all bubbles, everyone!
    they are machines created by beezlecreeps himself, the demon of gamblers, they are in the casinos to rob you of everything you have., even your soul.
    I understand they are now inserting a key entry slot next to where the money grabber is.
    you can punch the year of your car into it, and when the casino makes you an instant offer on your car, you just insert the registration and car keys and boom, the cash goes right into your bank on the bubble.
    they don't give you any fucking comps on any bubble, every 12000 dollars passed through it gets you one dollar in comp dollars. So if you trade in a 5 year old Porsche, and get 50 grand for it, they will process you 4 dollars and change for the action.

    don't, stay away. the bubbly is ungodly.
     
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  13. TDVegas, Jan 8, 2018

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    There is probably no merit to it...but my mind tells me the game runs in streaks. Seems like in month 1...pass line is killing it. Multiple points, long rolls. Month 2...8-7-6-7-9-7.

    After 5 years I've come to the conclusion...it's craps.
     
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    as a matter of fact, on my last trip to vegas in October, I was in a casino, and watched some poor old lady, she had to be in her mid to late 80s, talking with some of us at the bubble, playing her 2-3 dollars in action, seemed to understand the game of craps, and when she stood up, she said, oh well, another day the bubble took everything I have, but I still have baxter, she lifted up a tiny teacup yorkie out of her shoulder bag, and smiled, and kissed the dog, and said, as long as I have baxter everything is good, they can take all my money on the bubble, but I still got baxter, and then, in a flash, in a blink of an eye, the machine sucked baxter right into the money slot and whoosh! he was gone, the bubble took her precious baxter also and she just sat there and cried.
    we tried to console her, but as we were telling her things would be ok, some woman across the bubble from us starting beating the shit out of some old man, I think he stole her slot machine or something.
     
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  15. von duck, Jan 8, 2018

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    What you say makes sense, however life is not so easy, there is a "catch", that being, that those that that design the fix, know about the dark side, and the other bets. The machine can help or hinder, whichever bets it chooses, and DOES. And I "like" it. :)
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    Stupid! That's not it, that's what the stupid players try to do.
     
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  16. von duck, Jan 8, 2018

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    Yeah, it would seem that way, but that's not the way it is. It's all about psychology man, it's not based on what the average gambler does, it's based on what most gamblers think. :)
     
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    1. You play the game like a slot machine.
    Here is what VPFREE2.COM (I used to be a VP reporter for the site) has to say:
    http://www.vpfree2.com/casino/wild-horse-pass-hotel-casino

    The casino gives comps.

    2. Did you track the shooter who was generating non-random rolls? Not all shooters are the same. Be careful with your Chi Square analysis — which is why I am careful about sharing MY rolls.

    3. The machine has an edge on all bets (this excludes the odds bet) so the game wants balanced action on BOTH SIDES. If one side is losing massively, the other side is winning.

    4. This is a strategy known to AP’s: if you are suspecting cheating aka machine wants the biggest bettors to lose, then the AP bets small and bets the other side for a “sure” win because the “cheating” casino prefers the big wins and will tolerate gnat-sized losses. I have heard of stories where AP’s nickel & dime “cheating” situations.

    I always wanted to go to AZ because the casinos have some of the highest max bets for Bubble Craps.
     
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    Owned by a guy named Singh. That's pretty good Liman. :D
     
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    This is NOT the way it works, and you know it.
     
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  20. von duck, Jan 8, 2018

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    The bias is dynamic, it is what it needs to be, when the machine decides. duh! :)
     
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