Let's get serious for a moment.

Discussion in 'Bankroll Management' started by BuckShot, Apr 17, 2018.

  1. tabletop123, Apr 20, 2018

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    While we're at it.....lets discuss the PSO's, & short hands wherein you lose $42 or less. I know....YOU WALK!

    However, when/if ya come back to the tables, you're still -$42, & playing "catch up" to recoup your initial loss.

    Always behind the Eight Ball!
    I will say one thing about Across betting.....If ya just can't help yourself, just feel compelled to do it....ya might as well power press the first 3-4 rolls, hoping to catch a repeater or two, ( if ya get that far), because taking " Same bet", or half pressing ain't putting much of nothing in your rack!

    If you're gonna be aggressive with THAT style of play.....Balls to the Wall will put some coins in your rack.

    Don't forget the Old Nut Clipper lurking in the shadows, though!

    Chop! Chop!
     
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  2. tabletop123, Apr 20, 2018

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    Cut the Shit Buckshot ( just kidding) saying that Across Betting is a bad betting plan. Lol

    James Hall might just have to set you straight about that! Mr. Hall says FUCK the hand ending Seven Out that wipes away all Six bets.

    Mr. Hall declares that every toss that ya aren't paid on is just giving money back to the Casinos , & that the WAY in which he tosses the dice WARRANTS for him to bet Across. Lol.

    Mr. Hall states that he usually tosses 10 roll or better hands consistently (Maybe TD can find Mr. Hall's post professing it) so betting Across is Easy Peasy for him.

    He ain't worried about Risk versus Reward, or a fu**ked up Return of investment with the Across bet! Lol

    Something else that puzzles me...Initially " Your Highness" said that $42 is all he needs to bet. He stated....make money off of the Casino's money ( winnings).
    Interestingly in another Post, Mr. Hall states that his wife did all the big betting whilst he & his daughter bankrupted the Casinos with their spectacular " Wow WACKER" shooting prowess!

    Only $42 needed, no need to bet more? My wife bets the big money?
    Clarification, please!
     
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  3. The Midnight Skulker, Apr 20, 2018

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    At the risk of stating the obvious, Dice Influencing is an attempt to skew the results of die rolls in a predictable way, to reduce the chances of rolling a 7 to below one in six for example. Simply setting the dice to a particular configuration before they are thrown could technically be considered "influence" since a different "set" would produce a different result for the same throw, but unless the actions the dice will take when they are thrown are known the outcome is in no way predictable and therefore random for all intents and purposes. Hence DIs try to limit those actions by adopting a "controlled toss". While this typically does involve a repetitive style, it is what the dice do while "in the air" (i.e. between being released and coming to rest) that is distinctive and therefore recognizable.

    This is what tabletop123 was referring to: the intentional pre-throw arrangement of the dice combined with a consistent toss that successfully limits -- if you will excuse the math speak -- the degrees of freedom the dice have after they are propelled in the positive X direction...er, thrown. (Sorry, got a little carried away.) Most casinos could care less about DI wannabes who set the dice and go through some ritual when throwing them, but thanks to all the DI hype the last couple of decades they are aware that it is at least theoretically possible to neutralize and maybe even reverse the advantage they have over the players in craps. The lessons they have learned in blackjack (card counting) and roulette (visual ballistics) have made them gun shy.
     
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  4. crispcem, Apr 20, 2018

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    meh. Unless I see someone who professes to have this 'ability' calling out their numbers over and over (and nailing it) even while hitting the back wall with the little dimply pyramids etc I don't see how anyone could - with any certainty - claim they are a true mechanical DI....on the other hand, however, I DO believe that *some* of those people might be going into my 'Dark Side of the Moon' zone without realizing it lol. Hence the claims of DI but resulting from what is thought of as purely mechanical means. 'Theoretically' says it all; the proof is in the pudding. In my mind, you either back it up or it ain't backed up. When the understanding of quantum physics meets the inquiring human mind = interesting.
     
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  5. BuckShot, Apr 20, 2018

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    When a shooter says something like this "the WAY in which he tosses the dice WARRANTS for him to bet Across" then he / she is not a good shooter.

    Define a good shooter? One who uses a dice set and rolls continuous repeats of the same number over and over and over. When I rolled 57 numbers in 1 hr 15 minutes there were 2 numbers that consistently kept repeating. Both 8 & 9 consistently in 57 rolls.
     
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  6. BuckShot, Apr 20, 2018

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    You can not think this way.
    You need to walk in the casino with the expectation to lose X amount of money. If I start with a bankroll of $1000 and leave the casino with 1600... My next visit is with a $600 bank roll with expectations to lose it all due to the fact that I tend to bet more aggressive when it's profit money.

    I know I will win, but I still expect to bite the bullet with the extra aggressive betting.

    Most times I will flop but 1 outta 5 times I will make 10 times my bank roll to keep me ahead of the game.
     
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  7. von duck, Apr 20, 2018

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    You seem to know a lot of details, for someone with 8 hours of experience. Are you sure you're not TD in drag? May not be though as you're knowledge of the game, seems to far exceed his, but you're avatar is a pretty good likeness of what I picture his female counterpart would look like. You also have exactly the same accent. :)
     
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  8. crispcem, Apr 20, 2018

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    :D Now now...I never claimed to have knowledge of the game of craps - quite the opposite - but I do have quite a lot of experience in this 'Dark Side of the Moon' whilst applied to betting and other assorted 'chance' scenarios...you know...The Twilight Zone...few people ever see that open doorway and/or might not have the courage or willpower to step through it. heeheheh Who is this rumoured TD? I've heard his name thrown about as if he's some kind of Apollo figure of craps...hummm? Does he sniff the prophetic ethers of his own tripod ehehhe? Is that how he's achieved such legendary status here on this forum? ;)
     
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  9. tabletop123, Apr 20, 2018

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    I have said the same thing, but everyone starts with the "take what the table gives you"..."just avoid the Seven Out" bullshit.

    I have NEVER played that way, & in my opinion, THAT is not a true Dice Influencer. A good shooter SHOULD be able to take a Dice set/s, & hammer the same numbers repeatedly. I GUARANTEE that all of these so'called good Shooters will say that it ain't possible.

    When ya see numbers jumping all over the place....they are just getting lucky, & taking whatever the fu**k the table gives them.

    I don't toss nowhere near as good as I used to toss, but repeating numbers was my strength. I have never tossed JUST to avoid the Seven out. I am always trying to "Zero in" ( I won't say Sniping because my definition of Sniping is different from what others say it is) on a number/s.

    Primary Hits are extremely hard to be consistent at, but ya gotta AT LEAST strive for perfection....those primary hits.

    Why would ya want to spend countless hours practicing dice tossing & then say: "Whatever the table is kind enough to GIVE me. Lol

    Silliest shit that I've ever heard of, but I GUARANTEE you that MOST shooters are just tossing in the wind, hoping to toss long enough for their number/s to appear.

    When you become proficient at Zeroing in on a number or two, you can bet vertically, & have a greater Return of investment instead of dilluting profits by betting 3-6 numbers, because you have no clue which numbers are gonna show up.

    Just my two cents!
    Just another guy with a table at home that doesn't play much anymore....so what the fu**k do I know? Lol
     
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  11. yacraps, Apr 20, 2018

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    crispcem..Td is a honest two feet on the ground person like most of the members here..
     
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  12. Onautopilot, Apr 20, 2018

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    Now that's MORE better! :)
     
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    Are you talking about psychic abilities?
     
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  14. crispcem, Apr 21, 2018

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    In a sense, yes. No one would ever believe me in a million years. Am not about to blow my cover lol.
     
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    Come on bro. I'm all about that chit. I kid, I kid. Fascinating though. Tell me more.
     
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  16. DeMango, Apr 21, 2018

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    The Strategy!
     
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  17. crispcem, Apr 21, 2018

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    ;) First, am a Ma'am to you...second, I'll never reveal my secret.

    I have a *special* kind of life and ability and also have a certain interest in games and sports of chance where the woo woo side can neatly intersect with that. There are some basic ground rules coming from outside, but am allowed to nibble here and there. I haven't had much time in my life to apply it to silly betting games of chance, but when I do, it produces results.

    Betting structures and odds is a delicate art I have not yet mastered though am doing fairly well with the horses. Craps is only a recent discovery. You need to have a $ reward in the end. There are people who apply statistics and data to situations, there are others who use a different method.

    That would be moi. muahaha!
     
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