Let's get serious for a moment.

Discussion in 'Bankroll Management' started by BuckShot, Apr 17, 2018.

  1. basicstrategy777, Apr 19, 2018

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    Appreciate you putting in the time......you and I know the best chance to double your money is one bet....but thought this might be worth a shot.

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  2. tabletop123, Apr 19, 2018

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    Listen......my thoughts are..ya don't have to divulge the "Important" stuff! Sure....the Casinos aren't stupid They know what a controlled toss LOOKS like. They know if a guy is trying to influence the dice. All I am saying is...keep your mouth closed when possible.

    There is no such thing as flying under the radar if you are a mechanical tosser. From the very first toss...the Casinos know what you are attempting to do.

    There is no flying under the radar, but there is a such thing called " hit, & git"!

    Posting on an open forum that you are beating the Casinos is a complete waste of bandwith! Besides....who the fu**k is gonna believe you, & who the fu**k cares?
     
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  3. Mssthis1, Apr 19, 2018

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    My idea of one bet would be to put 50K on the pass line and roll a comeout seven. If that doesn't work you still most likely have outs. You're correct, one bet does have the best chance of doubling your money. Someone did the math sometime back but I don't remember where I saw it. Even trying to turn 1K into 10k, making a 1K bet and parlaying it till you have 10K has a better chance of success than chipping away at it with a bunch of small bets.
     
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  4. James Hall, Apr 19, 2018

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    There is a faction on this forum that would have everybody believe that winning by any means is all but impossible
    at least that is the message they seem to be sending
    some of them have even tried to convince me that I am unable to do what I do
    or maybe , just maybe they are trying to convince everybody else I can't do what I am doing
     
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  5. von duck, Apr 19, 2018

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    Great idea SIR. How about this one, Atlantic City, code name "SHITHOLE". :)
     
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  6. Bases loaded, Apr 19, 2018

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    They told me the Hard Rock is opening in AC this summer and has some big acts booked.

    So it's Shit Hole with a beat you can dance to.
     
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  7. James Hall, Apr 19, 2018

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    sounds like a plan
     
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  8. Onautopilot, Apr 19, 2018

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    Nope! And more equal is the same as saying, more random,. or more better, or what ever else you want to misuse "more" of. :)
     
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  9. tabletop123, Apr 19, 2018

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    I disagree. My understanding is that "They" are saying that winning long term because of DICE INFLUENCING ain't happening! NOT that ya can't win!

    "They" are also saying that All Across betting, FROM THE GIT GO is a sure-fire recipe for disaster & I TOTALLY agree with THAT assessment.

    In my opinion placing all of the numbers GRADUALLY has its places but as a STANDARD out of the gate play?......NO!
     
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  10. crispcem, Apr 20, 2018

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    GD...some of you guys get up early.....
    So, dice 'setting' is ok, but a 'controlled toss' isn't? What does a ct look like besides a repetitive style? Some of the people I saw took eons to set their damn dice and looked like sloths while throwing. No one batted an eyelash. I think I was playing at a crappy craps casino. Everything sloppy and seemed like 'anything goes' attitude. sniff.
     
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  11. random_roller, Apr 20, 2018

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    The debate isn't whether some shooters set the dice and have a beautiful, consistent toss with the dice traveling in unison (until impact). The issue is what happens to the dice once they hit the table and bounce against the pyramids, mirror, chips, etc. DI advocates insist their toss and dice sets employed allows them to retain some degree of influence over the dice even after impact that will allow for better than expected results. Others contend once dice impact a surface or object on the table (assuming a legal toss hitting the back wall), it's a random outcome.

    I had a very good roll Wednesday evening (which I documented here), but I don't attribute it to any special ability/skill for setting & tossing dice. To me, the dice outcomes are random when I'm the shooter. The high roller gentleman at the table who hit the All All (he had a $100 on each ATS bet when he was the shooter -- do that math!) would likely attribute his success to having a special ability/skill to influence the dice. I didn't ask him specifically if he was a DI, but he set the dice carefully, tossed them with the same motion, and generally landed the dice in the same area of the table. There is no way to conclusively prove which side of the debate is right or wrong. Frankly, it doesn't matter to me, either. What I do care about is making money while I'm at the craps table. Towards that end, anyone -- DI or random shooter -- can have a good roll or a bad roll at any given time. .
     
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  12. crispcem, Apr 20, 2018

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    ahhh...okay. Well, I'm off on another planet then, need a third acronym for me (N.U.T.S?). Logically, imo, any contact with chips, back wall etc are going to fugg up the best laid tosses or sets; illogically, I will maintain (as I expressed before on the forum) there is a realm of DI which departs from the physical plane and becomes something esoteric and supernatural in nature....the elusive G-Spot, if you will lol, of dice throwing, where the trifecta of applied mental focus, applied will and positive meditative brain waves 'in the zone' can manifest a desired outcome. I'll call it the Dark Side of the Moon lol. Am sure others here will call it something else lol.

    I once was playing blackjack alongside my ex-husband (who was beating me soundly, competitive, we were). I took a 5 minute break, composed myself, and then proceeded to win about 18 straight hands in a row, beating his smug winnings. True story. Ya gotta find the flow in everything. It's organic and built into every atom and molecule. :DJust my two cents.
     
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  13. von duck, Apr 20, 2018

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    :cool: :) Well said TD. :D I mean Ma'am.
     
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  14. BuckShot, Apr 20, 2018

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    They don't care about dice control here in Canada. As long as you bring cash, you're more than welcome at any table. Dice setters mean absolutely nothing to the casinos here.
     
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  15. tabletop123, Apr 20, 2018

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    Nothing means anything until Ya start consistently extracting money from the table!
     
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  16. BuckShot, Apr 20, 2018

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    I've done both 3 days per week, sometimes 5 days per week.

    1) I'll just doey/don't with a $1.00 twelve crap and $1.00 chip on pass line / don't pass for the dealers.. just so I can get a feel for the new dice to find my dice set for that day.
    2) Most times I will set the dice, but I speed it up and get to the point of not even having to look at the dice to set them.

    I do limit my win goals to around $300 but I also see many guys cashing out purple chips. They don't care to stress anything. As long as you're making bets and playing the game, keeping the dealers busy, all is good.
     
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  17. James Hall, Apr 20, 2018

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    There is an inherent problem with placing numbers gradually takes too long and about the time you get everything covered it's over
    The surest way to win is get on get up and get out , the longer you dally the worse it gets
    Many times I am on and off in 5 or so rolls then reload with "THEIR MONEY" and roll again , at that point I can't lose
    I have none of my money on the table , I have their money working and a profit in the chip rack
    While MR. SCAREDY PANTS is trying to get his bets on the table
    "GET IN , GET ON GET UP and GET OUT" has worked much better for me over the years
     
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  18. James Hall, Apr 20, 2018

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    I like the more better as Frank Sinatra used to say , "IT HAS A RING TO IT"
     
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  19. James Hall, Apr 20, 2018

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    I guess the most we can hope for is total equality , I was hoping for a little more
    I wanted extreme equality but alas , I guess it was not meant to be
    That may be , "MUCH MORE BETTER" in the long run anyway

    I'm glad we got that straightened out
     
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  20. BuckShot, Apr 20, 2018

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    it's better to put all your action chips together on one number instead of spreading them out like the many "Monkey see, monkey do" players.

    96 across will collect 20-30.00 after each win but 6 action numbers against one seven that is easiest to roll is a bad betting plan.

    But 96 on one action number is much better especially with the regulars throwing there signature numbers.

    Example. My wife loves the 3v set and it's crazy watching her throw the 3 crap quite a few times during her roll.

    Her only bet's made are 6/8 but mine are different. I just bet the 3 crap for $5 and at most will put at risk 20 chips (Her average roll is around 12 numbers with usually 2 x 3 crap.

    To others this is a bad bet, but t me in knowing her signature number is a 3, I can bank on it all day long as a side bet.
     
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