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  1. betwthelines, Nov 18, 2016

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    ok. who is the ONLY player in Major League History with 500 or more at bats to hit zero home runs in a season and also over 30 home runs in a single season?

    Clue Number One...this will simply narrow it down but might be enough for someone to guess it:

    AMERICAN LEAGUE​

    it would not be too surprising that if not from this, someone will get it from the next clue...but first i need some more guesses, peoples! hell, even that curmudgeon g. geist has weighed in...

    tom p
    -g. geist: boy! this izza toughy...good one! dick mccauliffe?
    --tom p: notta bad guess...looks like dick had as few as 5 & 6 tho in under 300 ab's & did slam as many as 24
    ---g. geist: well, i'll keep cogitatin' onnit
    ----tom p: good on ya!
     
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  2. random_roller, Nov 21, 2016

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    How about Bert Campaneris?
     
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    Not that I don't enjoy watching baseball playoffs, not much during the season, and haven't followed it that seriously for years, just noticing better teams now and then and good pitchers, I could count on one hand how many pro baseball games I went to.
    I remember one game, mets game, 1987? bonds menswear was giving away free mets tickets with purchase of a new suit, and I was there for a suit, tickets, well I took my son, he was around 5.
    A fight broke out in the seats in back of us, we got a full glass of beer dumped on our heads, my son was distraught, he didn't understand it all, so I left after that, maybe 3rd inning.
    when I was in high school, my buddy used to get corporate seats from his mom, during the weekday day games, and if he wanted them, wed take off from school.
    one day, Rusty Staub was playing right field, and we were sitting right behind first base, first row field box seats, and my buddy decided to throw a few water balloons at rusty, for whatever reason, rusty pointed, within a minute, we were escorted out of the stadium. And never got the seats again.
    one other time, yep, I think that's it, maybe I went to yankee stadium, its vague, but maybe once was I was in my teens. anyway, I helped out a buddy one night, he went to emergency room, was in severe pain, and got home like 1:30 am on a Saturday night, figured hed fill his pain med the next day, but was suffering bad, so he called me, I got up, opened my store and filled his script for him.
    The next day, he left his season passes to shea (mets) along with his parking pass on my TV and said pick out whatever game I wanted to see and take a friend/wife/kid.
    I stayed maybe 6 innings.

    funny, my entire family are big baseball fans, some fanatics, just never really got into it besides playing it as a teenager(a lot of softball)

    sorry for the tangent.
     
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  4. betwthelines, Nov 22, 2016

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    whoa, sorry been gone for a few days, random...

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    wow! before i looked up bert campanaris's stats, well, i knew he did not have much power and he is not the correct answer but he just might be the second best answer to this rather anomalous & unusual trivia question!! yep! i think he is number 2!

    bert hit only 79 home runs in his stellar 19 career including zero in 1979 when he had 496 at bats and but one in 1976 with 536 AB!!

    but the real kicker is that in 1970 he hit
    22! THAT'S RIGHT: IN A 19 YEAR CAREER HE HIT WELL OVER ONE QUARTER OF HIS ENTIRE CAREER HOME RUN OUTPUT IN A SINGLE SEASON! well it 's closer to 30% than it is to 25% anyway...given that career length that little nugget in itself might be the equal of my 0/30 stumper.

    good one random!!!

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    ok on to Clue Number Two...random, i think that you or someone might get it from this...anyway i ran it up the flagpole for one of my buddies who had also been stumped but he was able to get it from this:

    with regards to first ballot Hall of Famers only jackie robinson (10 seasons) had a shorter major league career than this american league stalwart...he joined sandy koufax in the 12 Seasons First Ballot Club...in some minds such a relatively "brief" career is "almost" a disqualifier for the Hall at least on the first ballot but like those two legends before him his first ballot induction was not in the least bit controversial...also like those two predecessors he played his entire career with the same team...

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    Random Roller Beating a Dead Horse Dept

    in researching this stuff, random, i noticed that jim bunning was put in the Hall by the veterans committee...while i may not live long enough to see it, i believe the same happy fate awaits jack morris...both had a similar oeuvre

    tom p
     
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  5. random_roller, Nov 22, 2016

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    Ah, f*ck it, it's gotta be (Kirby) Puckett.
     
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  6. random_roller, Nov 22, 2016

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    Is Morris planning on running (and winning) a seat in Congress?

    I don't think Bunning -- who statistically had a very good MLB career -- should be in the HoF, but the (then) Veterans Committee (as composed) finally had a different agenda...even though Bunning's MLB stats post-retirement hadn't changed in years. However, I never saw Bunning pitch and his career was before my time. To your point, there is hope for Morris to eventually get voted in by a committee.
     
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  7. The Midnight Skulker, Nov 22, 2016

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    OK, you have exceeded my capability to resist taking a guess. But first, this prologue. :)

    I was an avid Yankee (and baseball generally) fan as a kid growing up in the 50's and 60's with the requisite collection of Topps baseball cards, long since lost. :( Living in Los Angeles I didn't get to attend many games, any in fact, even after the Dodgers moved west in -- um -- 1958, was it? Anyway, also like Liman, I played baseball from Little League through high school, and tried out for the college team but could not forsake all else for the game and ended my baseball career there playing left out instead of my chosen position of second base. My interest in general waned after that, and evaporated entirely. and not just for baseball but for professional sports in general, with the players' strike(s).

    Meanwhile, back on the topic, my first guess was Frank "Home Run" Baker. :confused: Obviously I had misunderstood the question, thinking 500 ABs was career, not season, total. I vaguely remembered reading, again as a kid, that his nickname was gained by hitting a couple of game-winning dingers and not for being an overall power hitter.

    With the season vs. career misunderstanding cleared up I have come up with the following, roughly in order of thinking. (* = already guessed, i think without researching the thread)
    1. Ed Brinkman
    2. "Campy" Campanaris*
    3. Roy Campanella (getting desperate!)
    4. Jim Fregosi
    5. Pete Rose*
    6. Maury Wills*
    7. Clay Dalrymple
    8. Pee Wee Reese
    9. Bob Uecker (getting high)
    10. Tony Kubek (remember ...)
    11. Bobby Richardson (...I was an avid Yankee fan)
    There were probably others but I'm suffering a memory overflow.

    Anyway, all seriousness aside ;) (and before reading your hints), I figured the 500 AB requirement meant a regular player, so good hitting pitchers (e.g. Don Drysdale) were out. The 0/30 HR constraint suggested a primarily defensive player, so I narrowed my (alleged) thought process down to catchers, shortstops, and second basemen. Hence here are my guesses:
     
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  8. random_roller, Nov 22, 2016

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    Aw, Midnight, you come across as a decent, knowledgeable & likeable person, but that Yankee fan thing...talk about tragic flaw on a Shakespearean level. :eek:

    Hopefully, you have long-since overcome your childhood indiscretions and gone on to realize the errors of your (earlier) ways. :D

    BTW, many thanks to the Yankees for trading Andrew Miller to Cleveland.
     
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  9. betwthelines, Nov 23, 2016

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    Kirby Puckett impressed from Day One.

    in his major league debut on may 8, 1984 the surprisingly speedy fireplug-shaped player whacked out 4 hits, stole a base and impressed in centerfield where he was to be ensconced and the metroslum feature there for the next 10 years (moving to right some only in his later years)...

    but in that sterling rookie season (3rd in the roy balloting with alvin davis [27 hr, 116 rbi] & mark langston [17-10, 3.40 era] having just too much to say about that) kirby puckett never went yard.

    in an hot stove radio interview in the winter of 1984/85 kirby puckett was asked what's up with that & if he thought he would ever go long...the affable puck chuckled and said, "they'll come, o the homers'll come"...lol...and cheerily added that, hey, i did hit one juuusst foul that cleared the pole...lol.. (this account from personal memory)

    and sure enough the then twink's lead-off batter did slam 4 in 1985.

    but in 1986 upon being moved to the 3-hole kirby puckett smashed 31 dingers, 6th in the american league although 3 fewer than teammate gary gaetti*

    so congratulations random roller...you guessed it! kirby puckett is the ONLY player in Major League History with 500 or more at bats to hit zero home runs in a season and also over 30 home runs in a single season! pretty weird stat...

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    [[[*(yet another lengthy) tjp aside: during brian dozier's the most incredible 2 months individual performance in minnesota twinks history this year in which he finished third in the american league with 42 home runs (he was not even leading the club in homers at the end of july!) and even with 615 AB raised his avg 30 points in those last 2 months to .268, far & away his best ever, having entered the season at a career .239...brian always had good power coming in with 75 dingers in 3 anda half seasons & i allus liked the way he played between the lines (further in a crucial situation i would rather have seen dozier at the plate than any other twinkie, including mauer [lol] & during certain dry stretches even morneau during their season anda half as 'mates), the bohunk was surprised to learn from local media reports that only one twinkie had ever hit more than 35 home runs inna season (iirc the One is so obvious that the reports did not even refer to his name...lol)
    what?! the twinks of allison, oliva, battey, mincher, hisle, hall (yes, virginia, jimmy hall), carew, hrbek, morneau, willingham, hunter, puckett, g-man, cuddyer, hell even jim lemon, and, hey folks, whuddabout david ortiz, huh? et al never had but the one nail more than 35 home runs!?...coulda fooled me...
    only josh willingham reached 35 even...and, yes, lemon did smack 38 but that was in 1960 as one of random's old washington senators...lol.
    anyway that stat surprised the ol' bohunkabit...
    nor does any other twinkie have even 300 homers inna career---with kent hrbek's 293 justa bit short

    in this bohunk's opinion, his (2015) all star status and (2014) hr derby participation notwithstanding, dozier is somewhat of a "two month wonder" and believes the twinkies ought to strike while the iron is hot and try to getta decent pitcher for him...this would not be as much uvva bummer for twink's fans as you might think as it it a common opinion amongst knowledgeable twinks fans...unfortunately the market for second basemen is not particularly healthy just right now]]]

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    anyway congrats again to trivia maven, random roller!


    tom p
     
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  10. random_roller, Nov 23, 2016

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    Kirby Puckett had a great, albeit abbreviated MLB career.


    Harmon Killebrew would be pretty obvious to Twins fans, I think.


    There's that name David Ortiz again in a post on this forum. You know, he might just be one of 777's favorite players; not sure. Rumor has it they exchange Christmas cards. :D


    Even if one doesn't include the (almost 100) HRs he hit while a member of the Washington Senators or Kansas City Royals, Harmon Killebrew easily hit 300+ while playing for the Minnesota Twins.


    Trivia maven? Hardly. That 2nd clue you offered up gave it away. There aren't too many players who had (relatively) short careers that are voted into Cooperstown the first year of eligibility. Obviously, I hadn't viewed Puckett as a 0 HR guy (with 500+ ABs in a season).

    Great question, Tom P.
     
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  11. The Midnight Skulker, Nov 24, 2016

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    OK, Twinkle Toes, here's one for ya. While researching how close -- not very with most, but not that far away with a couple -- my guesses were I stumbled upon the answer to this one. In what way does Target Field link the Twins to the NBA Lakers?
     
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  12. random_roller, Nov 25, 2016

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    Both teams have retired #34 (Shaq, Kirby Puckett).
     
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  13. The Midnight Skulker, Nov 30, 2016

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    Not bad, though technically irrelevant. The question was about the stadium, not the teams themselves. Here is what I discovered.

    TargetField.jpg


    BTW given Tomp's penchant for the Twins I thought of Kirby Puckett but rejected that thought for a couple reasons.
    1. I thought outfielders (and third basemen) were typically in the lineup for their fire power. Killebrew, Mays, Colavito, F. Robinson, Aaron, F. Howard, T. Williams, Kaline, and a few blokes who patrolled center field in The House That Ruth Built to name a few.
    2. Of the three outfield positions I thought the center fielder was typically responsible for covering the most ground and therefore was fleet of foot, a trait I did not associate with the rotund Puckett.
    True to my comic strip personna, The Midnight Skulker strikes (out) again. :(
     
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  14. Bases loaded, Nov 30, 2016

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    I laugh when a team goes to a new town and doesn't change their name, making the name irrelevant.

    There are no Lakes in Los Angeles

    There is no Jazz in Utah

    There are no Cardinals in Arizona

    There are no Wizards in DC, oh wait they were the Bullets! Yes, there are bullets in DC.
     
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  15. The Midnight Skulker, Nov 30, 2016

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    At least the Houston Oilers avoided that mistake, and IIRC mentioned they were doing so for that very reason when they moved to Nashville.
     
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  16. random_roller, Nov 30, 2016

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    Well, heck, if you're going to object to my answer on the grounds it is technically irrelevant, then I must object to your question -- which mentioned the Los Angeles Lakers, on the grounds it suffers from the same problem. The "answer" refers to the Minneapolis Lakers, not the Los Angeles Lakers. :eek: :D:D

    Objection sustained. Unless, of course, you invoke the Kevin Bacon 6 degrees of separation defense.
     
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    Always refreshing to read some posts with wit and humor sprinkled in. Makes all the other stuff tolerable. :)
     
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  18. The Midnight Skulker, Nov 30, 2016

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    And where in my question is the city named? Objection overruled, on appeal.
     
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  19. random_roller, Nov 30, 2016

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    This court takes judicial notice of Los Angeles Lakers. Reversed and remanded with instructions to vacate the erroneous opinion of the appeallate court and reinstate the judgment of the trial court consistent with this opinion. Costs to The Midnight Skulker.
     
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    It looks like this thread has turned into a baseball thread, anyway... I visited the Jack recently and made a little video. Thought this was an appropriate place to share.
     
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