It's called Winning

Discussion in 'Dice Influencing' started by Dave G Ct, Feb 8, 2018.

  1. bonetek, Feb 19, 2018

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    "They all play the come. Where is the need for it?"

    So by playing the come there is no need for measuring skill?

    "They use mostly one dice set."

    If you use it with sufficient skill then it will work as well as any other
    set of the same ilk.

    "In my own view people rely on BT to cover up their own toss defiencies."

    Your most highly valued opinion is hereby noted.

    "In other words your shot is not legit."

    Pure logic at the highest standards.

    "Lousy posts keep it moving! "

    Yep.
     
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  2. Dave G Ct, Feb 19, 2018

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    I restate my opinion BT is a crutch.You want to use it be my guest. There is a better measurement.It is called wins and losses. Yes the real world
     
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  3. tabletop123, Feb 19, 2018

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    Dave....it just goes to show that your experience/talent is severely limited. I think that even James will agree that a quarter turn of the Die laterally, or vertically can be the BEST remedy for your toss on a given day.

    The problem with most shooters is they have no earthly clue what their left/right Die are doing.
    Case in point: If you are using the Hardways set, & one die is consistently flipping over, WHY would you fix it?

    You cannot seven out if this occurs. However, GTC would say that your toss is "off", & that ya need to fix your grip! Lol

    I would absolutely LOVE to have THAT problem!
     
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  4. DeMango, Feb 19, 2018

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    How do you know if you found the right quarter turn? there are three axis to turn on. But if you used a computer, you would know. Do you have the talent to operate the software? Didn't think so.
     
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  5. tabletop123, Feb 19, 2018

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    Personally, I have no idea why Dave is even a member of the GTC forum! They don't even endorse Underhand tossing. They use primarily the Hardways dice set, & their patented toss is the pendulum swing.

    One toss, one Dice Set, & one betting strategy.
     
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  6. DeMango, Feb 19, 2018

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    Dave is desperate for help. Well known for years. Looking for the Holy Grail. First MP, Axis, then SR, then that schmuck in KC, now GTC. Who knows how many in between. A dice whore if you will.
     
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  7. bonetek, Feb 19, 2018

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    Without proven tossing skill via any software (BT, GTC package?) or pencil and paper,
    you can't convince anyone but yourself that your "wins and losses" are due to
    skill, 1/4 die turns at the lucky moment, or magic incantations.

    To be more specific, "wins and losses" should only take into account your
    own shooting. Otherwise your wins and losses are simply gambling results.
    Another case of dirtying up your win/loss data with invalid data from
    other shooters. Win/loss data from your own shooting, alone, may be helped
    by betting strategies, but not by using variants of unproven tossing skills.

    Feel free to change grips, rotation, sets all you like, but if you can't
    demonstrate an ability to improve upon random then suggestions for
    winning by changing a grip, set, 1/4 turn, etc. are anecdotal at best.
     
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  8. von duck, Feb 19, 2018

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    Somebody get the tar and feathers, let's nip this one in the bud. :D
     
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  9. Dave G Ct, Feb 19, 2018

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    First off you heroes in 6 weeks knocked off 4 30 plus hands and 3 twenty plus hands.Only loss was a $47 outing.
    DeMango what kind of numbers you or anybody else putting up? Like I said there is nobody on that board putting up those kind of hands.
     
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  10. Dave G Ct, Feb 19, 2018

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    As to why I am on that board is I like the talent there and they have treated me nicely.My OH can use some help.
     
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  11. von duck, Feb 19, 2018

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    I completely agree Dave, Nobody. :)
     
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  12. Freddyy, Feb 19, 2018

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    Playing the come isn't a lousy play for a DI. Lets face it you will leave your money there 90% of the time ne way... playing progressive come bet is just as good as placing and praying. I've seen people do a wicked amount of cash on my rolls playing come bets while I was trying to hit the progression on specific number and miss out a 6x hit on 10z
     
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  13. DeMango, Feb 19, 2018

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    Where are you TD? What's the word of the day? Anecdotal!!!
     
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  14. Freddyy, Feb 19, 2018

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    ... in 6 weeks you only had 7 good hands? LoL
     
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  15. James Hall, Feb 19, 2018

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    Definition of anecdotal : anything "TEDIOUS VEGAS" and his , "GROUP OF INSIDERS" DO NOT AGREE WITH OR UNDERSTAND
     
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  16. Edward-ky, Feb 19, 2018

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    There needs to be like a craps forum meetup somewhere. Instead of non stop bashing of other members. Although i do find it funny that the DI guys seem to be the ones insulting and bashing the most. It would be interesting to see members in live play.
     
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  17. Onautopilot, Feb 19, 2018

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    You seem to have the need to say it "SLOWER" and "LOUDER"......a tactic one takes when outgunned in an argument, to try and add validity to their false proffer.

    TDV has put your shit out in the street more times than you can handle......so now you are only left with "SLOWER" and "LOUDER".......come on Jimmy, at least try and use something that has a hint of an intelligent response.
     
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  18. James Hall, Feb 19, 2018

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    All this time I thought TDVegas was dumber than you are , by comparison you are brain dead and he barely has enough brain power to breath
    If you knew ANYTHING you would know that statement came tumbling out of your ASS
    TDV puts no one's shit in the street he uses arguments like
    "You can't bet a trend because you don't know when a trend is going to happen , a trend doesn't have a beginning it only ends
    You agree with him because you play the same losing game he does
    If you knew the first thing about the game you would be embarrassed about the , "$#^*T" you guys PROFFER ,a term you learned from him at the same time you
    guys started throwing that , "innumerate" horse , "$#^*T" around
    TDV has put nobody's , "$#^*T" in the street , he has no argument when it comes to craps
    \You , he and a lot of the people on this forum resent anybody with a game , it makes you look bad so the only thing you can do is contradict and criticize
    face it you , he and many here are losers and always will be accept it you will be happier
    Now go back and tell him you did your part with James Hall , tell him you got your dick slapped in the dirt and you don't want to play his game anymore
     
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  19. James Hall, Feb 19, 2018

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    Your argument is you can't win , nobody can win you guys are pathetic , stop playing
    LEARN TO WIN OR QUIT
     
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  20. TDVegas, Feb 19, 2018

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    Definition of anecdotal:
    An account (story)---***not necessarily true or reliable***, because it is based on personal accounts rather than facts.

    It could be true....or not.

    If you want to re-invent a definition....it's your prerogative, James. Just know it's a made up definition.
    Never said that. You're making shit up...again. What I said is that your statement "I'm on a trend at the beginning" is not ALWAYS true. If, after you have laid out your across the board bet, a 6-7 roll happens...you are NOT on a trend at the beginning.

    You are on a ROLL at the beginning (and betting all across). IF a trend happens, you were on it at the beginning. If an early 7 happens...you were NOT on a "trend at the beginning". Got it?

    This has been explained 17 times now. It's either 1 of 3 things....you are not reading and or comprehending what I am writing. You are trolling. Or, you are dumb.
    Sure he has...yours.:)

    Keep going...I can get a bigger shovel if needed.
     
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