Is this an example of Dice Control???

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  1. Onautopilot, Apr 14, 2017

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    There is noting to calculate for bias in 15 rolls, dumb to even mention it! Any calculation to determine if there is a chance that a bias exists is answered in terms of percentage of confidence. There is no way a 15 roll data base provides any reliable percentage of confidence of a bias...none!

    You are the newest member of the elite innumerate club......not to mention a very delusional individual. But maybe not really, maybe just our newest resident troll.
     
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  2. TDVegas, Apr 14, 2017

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    2 and 12 are not considered hardways. Clueless. If anything, it would be "only way", not "hardway". In any event, you're wrong.

    OK..then you are doing nothing other than claiming your actions or the action of the vibration influences a result....but you have no clue what that result will be. Congratulations. You are a dice influencer.:rolleyes:

    By that logic, we are ALL dice influencers.

    Without having an idea what non random sequence or numbers will appear....so you can wager on them---your premise is useless. It's nothing more than "I dice influence, it's just I have no clue what I can influence, numbers wise"

    Just suggesting that the sequence of numbers that appear during a session will not meet EXPECTATION is useless. You are not going to get perfect expectation during your session.

    Your dice control premise is useless.
     
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  3. Onautopilot, Apr 14, 2017

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    They are not considered hard ways by any stretch of the imagination as far as craps terminology is concerned!

    2 and 12 are one roll bets, they have no easy roll counterparts.

    Hard ways have an easy roll counterpart, and in play until a resolution......hard way made, a seven, or the easy counterpart.

    No comparison.

    Not only are you innumerate, you are also a craps illiterate.
     
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  4. von duck, Apr 15, 2017

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    Did somebody say TROLL? Eeeew trolls eeeew, where's FredP when you NEED him?
     
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  5. Twelve4s, Apr 15, 2017

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    I can't wait..

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    This puts t31 in elite status!
     
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  7. Onautopilot, Apr 15, 2017

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    The P-value...the probability of any event happening, shows you absolutely nothing regarding a bias, unless you have an adequate sample size...period!

    It is impossible to determine a bias in too small a sample size, in other words, you can not distinguish between "coincidence" and a possible bias in 15 rolls of the dice....never!

    If the bias is relatively small, which it would be in a bubble craps environment, the sample size would entail many thousands of rolls to insure enough data to draw any conclusion as to any existing bias....a confidence level that supports the suspicion........a standard deviation in excess of 1 SD, and the confidence level expressed in percentages, ranging from 51% to 99% depending on the amount of SD.

    You are trying to pick and choose small sample sizes that suit your proffer that a bias can be introduced at bubble craps, and that you can "nuke" an unsuspecting player that you want to get rid of.......total nonsense, or BS if you prefer!
     
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  8. The Midnight Skulker, Apr 20, 2017

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    Jumping into the quagmire just to refresh my memory as to why I should avoid quagmires.
    I am a little surprised it took four pages of posts to get to IMHO the key flaw in the assertion. I can walk around a casino looking for an "interesting" roll history displayed on a bubble craps machine. I can then take a photo of that screen and wait for another few rolls. If those next rolls are also "interesting" I can take another photo, post both photos, and exclaim, "Voila, DI extraordinaire!" OTOH if the second batch of rolls is uninteresting I delete the first photo and resume my tour. While I do not know what the second batch of rolls will be when I take the first photo, I do know what they (and the first batch) were when I decide to post (or not post) both photos. Hence I prove nothing by posting other than I came, I saw, I photographed.
     
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  9. TDVegas, Apr 20, 2017

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    I sometimes wonder when these assertions get posted...
    Am I dealing with low IQ...?
    Is this a troll....?
    Does he also sell work at home schemes or aluminum siding...?

    I should heed your words about jumping in...
     
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  10. betwthelines, Apr 20, 2017

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    come on, tdv, pay attention

    this frau guy has already said it is the "secret sauce" and that he is not going to reveal it...that is his prerogative...

    of course such a stance means there will be no convincing anyone other than of course those usual suspects who are already fooled and deluded but nonetheless it is his prerogative.

    tom p
     
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  11. betwthelines, Apr 20, 2017

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    the thing here is that pinball machines CAN be influenced using the technique you have mentioned and others...no one (i don't think) denies or doubts this influence, that is, whether for good or for ill, there IS influence.

    and, yes, it IS human nature to so explore.

    as to DI & BI, it goes without saying that there are many skeptics as regards even ANY influence...this is NOT saying that they deny its possibility, physics does after all allow for it (tdv, probably the most adamant [& usually well-reasoned] skeptic here, once used the "i" word inna post but after his shit was duly put out in the street over it, he did back off ever-so-slightly from it being impossible)

    lol...just entertaining myself, folks...no moment.

    tom p
    ps a saloon in south minneapolis features banks of retro pinball machines...it just opened this week and i plan on making a visit to it, perhaps before or after the twinks-tigers tilt on saturday...oops, did i say "tilt"?
    -g. geist: and just who was it that "put his shit right out in the street"?
    --tom p: moi...of course
    ---g. geist: this too entertained yourself?
    ----tom p: sure...re-read my first signature...it is the PRIMARY reason i am even here
    -----g. geist:
     
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  12. TR31

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    The dice are airborne, which is how you know there is kinectic energy.

    In live craps, it's when the dice leaves the hand of the shooter but have not reached the table.

    In bubble craps, you can measured the distance the dice are off the vibrating table.
     
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    Keep guessing. I joined recently this year and never posted before I joined.
     
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    This is another example of why you are the village idiot.

    I am using the language Aruze uses in it's help section -- see hop bets: "easy" numbers are paid 15:1; hard way numbers like 1&1 or 6&6 are paid 30:1 just like 2&2, 3&3, 4&4 and 5&5.

    You can hop hard way numbers per Aruze crap. Nice going.
     
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  15. Twelve4s, Apr 22, 2017

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    Getting closer?

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    This is why TD is dumb and you are dumber.

    The game is Aruze bubble craps and it helps if you read the game instructions. In the Hop bet section: "easy" numbers are paid 15:1 while hard way numbers like 1&1 or 6&6 are paid 30:1 just like hopping the 2&2, 3&3, 4&4, and 5&5.

    In Aruze, you can hop hard way numbers: 1&1, 2&2, 3&3, 4&4, 5&5 AND 6&6 and each pays 30:1. As you SHOULD know, these are 1 roll prop bets -- not the working bets you thought were the only hard way bets.

    It's Aruze's definition. Maybe, you are not so smart after all.
     
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  18. Twelve4s, Apr 22, 2017

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    Getting warmer?

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    You are zero for 13 based on attached photo.
     
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  20. Twelve4s, Apr 22, 2017

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    I think I'm getting close,

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