Is this an example of Dice Control???

Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by TR31, Apr 9, 2017.

  1. TDVegas, Apr 10, 2017

    TDVegas

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    While I agree with some of your other opinions on bubble limits and TR31's claims....this above statement is completely FABRICATED. See Nevada gaming laws. There is no "calculation" or setting of 90% nor is there any "set" computation to guarantee a favorable result for the casino on lay bets or any other bet. The probabilities for the bubble are the same as the live table.

    I'm not surprised Harley is wrong on this one...but it does seem he is playing the bubble as he knows the limits around town. Welcome to the club.
     
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  2. Twelve4s, Apr 10, 2017

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    Lake Tahoe have bubbles?
     
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    "Allude" you fecking illiterate!
     
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  4. von duck, Apr 10, 2017

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    There you go, proof positive, you can't argue with a photo. There is no way that anybody could just walk around, and take pictures of variation. This is quite obviously, the work of a controlled thrower, has 100% control of the shutter also. ""COME ON MAN". Seems like it would be nearly impossible to prove or disprove DI, and if you've got it, why would you want to. Just take the money to the bank. DI on the bubble, would require EXTREME talent, I would think.
     
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    I'd say, this is about right. Glad to see I'm not the only one. Seems it would be a gaming violation in Nevada. Hard for me to believe, this thing can't,"pick it's spots". That's what I see.
     
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  6. Bases loaded, Apr 10, 2017

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    Harley! Hey bud, good to see you posting. Don't be a stranger.

    The machines around me have two amounts, the single bet maximum, and the total bet maximum.

    So each new bet can be a maximum of $100, but the total amount allowed to be bet is $500.

    Guys by me bitch cause they can't get their $500 out there fast enough. Takes 5 rolls to max out their bets.
     
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  7. Onautopilot, Apr 10, 2017

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    All BS, or you would be in the casinos, not here spewing your cut and paste crap! You or no one else is using the casino as their personal ATM machine.....it's all BS!
     
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    Then why post this topic as a question if you are so certain of the correct answer?

    I think you are absolutely right about your control ability and that TDVegas is flat out wrong.

    Remember what happened to blackjack after Ed Thorp spilled the beans?

    So Go ....get thee down to the bank and withdraw all your savings then mount an all out assault on the casino bank. It may be wise to take the time to liquidate your assets to maximize your bets. Maybe even get friends and family to help fill all the seats and parrot your max bet from every seat. Do whatever it takes but hurry and git 'er done before the casino reads this and takes counter measures to protect their money.
     
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  9. eagleeye2, Apr 10, 2017

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    Onautopilot,

    You are the Hoses ASS!

    And a LOOSER at that!

    eagleeye2
     
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  10. TR31

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    It's in a Harrah's casino (can't recall which one) and Mounte Blue(?). My contact tells me MB (ex Caesars property) has better comps.
     
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  11. TDVegas, Apr 10, 2017

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    When ya got nuthin...spew nonsense.

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    When someone resorts to name calling, it just shows how weak their proffer is!

    You are not using the casino as your personal ATM machine...period!
     
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    That is why TD is the village idiot of this forum. I gave two photos: before and after so I clearly showed possible dice control. I was clearly telling people with the first photo that I was "attempting" and "doing" dice control.

    1. It's dice control because you bet first before rolling the dice. A point lost on TD, the village idiot and others.

    2. My two photos shows blue 7's meaning I controlled the dice for at least 19 rolls. In contrast, TD (the village idiot) shows a photo of a few hard ways and then a RED 7 -- like thos few rolls is an example of dice control.

    You knew it was 19 rolls because the second photo shows 15 rolls, the first photo shows 2 more rolls (blue 7 and blue 5) for 17 rolls, and implied two rolls (since I made the blue 5, I must have rolled a 5 as the point) and since I didn't 7 out in the second photo so I got another roll for a total of 19 rolls.
     
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  14. Onautopilot, Apr 10, 2017

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    Now that is funny!

    Especially coming from someone that apparently has no clue as to how to how to perform a confidence level computation to establish that a "bias" (dice control) is in fact a valid conclusion.

    You have offered nothing of the kind.

    Tell me what you are going to do, then do it, and you have my full attention. But telling me after the fact that it was dice control, is nothing more than reverse engineering....anyone can do that!
     
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    Are you taking stupid pills like TD, the village idiot of this forum?

    1. Since I joined this forum, I have been explaining how dice control is possible on bubble craps from my experience so I have be DOING what I said I would be doing. Read my easier posts -- I've been writing a lot about ways I had success at bubble crap. In your words, I having been doing, doing, and doing for a long time.

    2. I supplied two photos: Before and After. Clearly, the AFTER photo shows me doing or attempt at doing, doing, doing dice control.

    If you count the rolls, that would be at least 19 rolls of doing, doing, doing some form of dice control. TD could count to the correct min 19 rolls because that moron couldn't identify 6 consecutive hard way rolls in both photos.

    In summary, don't be like TD since he makes little sense.

    Oh, one last thing about things happening all the time -- well, the rest of us use binomial probabilities and there's an online calculator just to see how random an event happens (but you never seen TD, the village idiot using real math!).

    http://stattrek.com/m/online-calculator/binomial.aspx

    All you need is three inputs: probability of success on a single trial, number of trials, and number of successful trials. It's all math. No more guess work or TD-voodoo speak.
     
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  16. TDVegas, Apr 10, 2017

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    Nonsense. You showed two photos after it happened. You didn't post the first photo as it happened..then said "I'm going to continue rolling hardways". You posted an AFTER THE FACT outcome. BFD. That's exactly what I did

    What on earth are you talking about? You simply took a photo AFTER the result happened. I see no hardways wagers in your picture.

    You bet what? There's no bet shown.

    How dumb. You think rolling the dice 19 times means dice control? LOL.

    You are kind of dull...thick, obtuse, ignorant.

    By your standard, anyone who can document a 19 toss hand can qualify himself as a dice controller?

    In that case...we are all dice controllers here.

    You have no clue what you're talking about.
     
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    http://stattrek.com/m/online-calculator/binomial.aspx

    I can give you the exact answer -- 10 hardways in 15 rolls

    P(X=x) is 0.00001995883 -- and if you take the inverse of ration, the probability of it occurring is 1 in 50,000+

    And the various cumulative distribution is given below (or would you like me to supply a screen shot?). So, yah I can discern the "confidence intervals".

    I stated before in this thread the odds of it occurring was 1 in 50,000 so you need to reread my first few posts (so to say I have nothing to offer is a bit over the top). Perhaps you missed my comment or it was way over your head?

    Separately, in the casino industry, they use a test called the Chi-Square Test for Goodness of Fit, and based on the degree of freedom, get to the P value. It is the P value that is used to discern non-randomness or bias. My spreadsheet can calculate the P value on a live basis.
     
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  18. Onautopilot, Apr 10, 2017

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    He is using a cumulative probabilities calculation in an attempt to verify DC in a given sequence of events. Pure nonsense!
     
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    You have no clue as to how to determine a "confidence level" of bias in random events!
     
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    Any 15 roll exact sequence is going to show a cumulative probability that is off the charts.....it says nothing about the probability of a bias existing...none!
     
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