Is there " Trouble in Paradice / Paradise " ?

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  1. $nakeEye$, Jan 9, 2018

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    Seems to me that the GREAT Heavy and Howard - AKA - The Wonder Duo - are running out of NEW Topics for discussion -

    MANY previous posts - which have already been beaten to death -

    Are being resurrected / resuscitated / brought back to life from the depths of posts long gone and forgotten ! :rolleyes:

    Matter of fact - EVEN some the MAD PROFESSOR's posts are being brought back to life !

    Dave - did YOU hear THAT ?


    Apparently MANY have seen the light and abandoned the ship !

    I know I did !


    Not to mention the simple fact that LESS are interested TODAY in their hype as opposed to YESTERDAY !

    $...eE..$
     
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  6. tabletop123, Jan 9, 2018

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    Personally, I think that Dice Influencing has run its course. There is only so much to discuss, ie...are you winning, experiencing long rolls, short rolls, etc.

    Furthermore, I think a lot of people that are involved with Dice Influencing have come to the realization that it's damn near Random. Even the selected few that DO gain an advantage have to tread water very carefully.

    I know that for MYSELF.....the THRILL is gone. Unless I find a new toss ( as I am CURRENTLY working on ), there's just not much interest.
    I think another problem is that a lot of people that are involved with Dice Influencing aren't playing enough in "live" action to really test their skills ( or lack thereof).

    For those that have to travel more than 2 hours or so.....there's the "nut" that has to be covered just for traveling expenses alone.

    The Dice Influencing topics have been beaten into the ground over the years. There's really nothing more to discuss except maybe mechanics of a particular toss/s.

    Betting Strategies?.......That's been covered too. About the only thing left to discuss is playing conditions per Casino. I mean REALLY......who's gonna discuss THAT on a open forum?

    Ya got Old Shitter talking down to members over on Heavy's forum. Been that way for years. Ya got Heavy treating members decently, & bringing up interesting topics of discussion, & then ya got Old Shitter intimidating posters every chance that he gets. Who would want to post under those conditions?

    Is anyone really suprised?
     
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  7. Settingcanthurt, Jan 9, 2018

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    I joined this forum with the direct drive to do two things. to understand the game better ie dice influencing, and get some betting strategies. After reading for weeks I came up with this moniker as it seemed already to me that this was not, shall I say a exact science. It was a method which at best may occasionally bear fruit in fact the chances of hitting a number may be better and if not, it cant hurt anything to try.
    I have learned as much as I can on betting strategies without being at the table.
    I like the idea of trying to hit a number but the reality's are sharp edges on the dice will turn the dice no matter how they land. The pyramids will deflect in a unknown, uncontrollable manor. And as some here have said table tops differ in how hard/bouncy they may be.
    I have learned all I can here but the most important thing I have learned is two things. No matter what anyone ever does at the table. Each throw is a separate action from all others. No link to each other. I call it random.
    Most important is, each throw. The odds never change.
     
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  8. tabletop123, Jan 9, 2018

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    Bingo! Well said, buddy! I just wanna meet ONE.....just one shooter that can SNIPE a number/s, or tosses consistently at least 7 out of 10 attempts. 70%......that's Not a lot to ask for.

    Haven't witnessed one in over 35 years of playing the game. The clock is still running! Lol
     
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  9. rkidalowski, Jan 9, 2018

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    TT123--I sort of agree with your post, but wish posting in general were different.. I am relatively new to craps-----been playing for just over 3 years, so I have lots to learn. I have read most of the books available and they generally have the same train of thought. i.e bet pass line with odds and a few come bets with odds and do nothing else. Fortunately from readings here and talks with others, I have learned the benefits of place bets and how the odds bet must be around 5X to beat the place bet payout. That info is not listed in too many books. As I have often seen, many people play come bets with 2X odds but it pays less than a place bet. People play that way not even realizing there is an option to what they are doing.
    I am attempting to "influence" the dice. Sometimes it works---sometimes it doesn't but my results, in general, are slightly more than just random. Now if I can combine that with a more logical betting system {like there is one, lol} that fits how I am shooting I will do OK. Won't make a fortune, but if I make expenses and a little more I will be happy.
    There are a gazillion posts when you include all the websites---- here, Heavy, Howard, etc. One could spend months attempting to read them except that the majority of the posts end up being silly arguments about BS. I was hoping to read about peoples experiences and really looked forward to postings on Rick's "Big Wins" post. As I said before in that topic, there are lots of posts under that title but almost nothing posted about big wins !!!
    So someone like me who really wants to learn is wasting hours reading gibberish from guys who cannot stand it when someone disagrees with them. And I rarely post as eventually one realizes their topic for discussion quickly ends up going so far off tangent as to be meaningless to the topic at hand.
    One learns from their experience and the experience of others. As I live about 75 minutes from the nearest casino, I don't get to play every day as people in LV can do. So I get on forums to try to learn what has worked for others. That way when I hit the casino, hopefully, I can make my time at the table as productive as possible. The math of the game is true over thousands of rolls but any given time at the table shows there are trends and if you hop on them you can do well. Hop too hard or too often and you will go broke.
    So regarding TT123 comment, probably everything has been said but not everyone has had a chance to read what really matters. It gets very discouraging to see what looks like an interesting topic title, start reading and before you read to the end of the first page that it has already turned to rubbish. But one continues to read hoping for that one little glimmer of knowledge--experience--that will potentially help improve my style of play or at least keep me from making mistakes.
    The process would be much easier if people would stop the petty crap and stick to the topic at hand. Then you might find more people participating----or not.
     
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  10. tabletop123, Jan 9, 2018

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    Well, you have to understand that Dice Influencers are normally in "Camps", groups. They befriend one another, & then stick to the "Loyalty" thingy without really thinking things through SOMETIMES.....because of the Loyalty thingy!

    Disagree or say something negative about that friend, Camp, etc, & all hell breaks loose. Continue to read, & absorb all the information that you can...stay away from the Dice Camps, & you'll do just fine.

    Lone Wolf is the road to travel, because MOST Di's have HUGE egos, & it's usually the "If ya don't do it MY way, you're doing it wrong" thingy.
    I will tell you THIS from experience.....CONSISTENCY evades us all. Random is only a foot step away, & Dice Influencers at ALL skill levels win some, & they lose some. When ya find a Di that CONSISTENTLY has a SRR of 6.5 or above, ( Long term) or a DI that can CONSISTENTLY snipe numbers.....Please PM me. Lol
    Good luck at the Tables!
     
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  11. Settingcanthurt, Jan 9, 2018

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    Good post. I agree. It's hard to reread the same thing in so many different posts. I came to the conclusion there is a lot of history between these people who do this. Just gotta let it go.
     
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    TT define SRR for the record....
     
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  13. TDVegas, Jan 9, 2018

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    Seven (7) to rolls ratio...how often a player sees a 7. As in once every 6.5 rolls (SRR 6.5), for example.

    Speaking of trouble in paradise...first rain here last night and this morning in about 4 months. Heard it on the roof and couldn't remember what rain sounded like...its been so long. Dreary day here in Vegas.

    Can almost guarantee it will be like bumper cars out there today....drivers in Vegas are bad to begin with, throw in rain (when they never see it) and they don't adjust their driving for slippery roads.
     
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  14. tabletop123, Jan 9, 2018

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    Sevens to roll ratio. Bad sevens ( Rightside shooting) versus Box numbers, & trash (2,3,11, & 12)
     
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  15. Bases loaded, Jan 9, 2018

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    Your SRR is 1:6

    Everybody's SRR is 1:6

    DI's claim different.
     
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  16. superrick, Jan 9, 2018

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    Well, James, there you go with all of the negative posts we did something on this board and that was to teach one person that the books are all the same and the authors never did any work for themselves. No, they just wrote the same old BS that everyone else wrote about!

    Think about it you walk into a casino that has classes on the game of craps and you are standing there with one of the dealers telling you how to play the game and they tell you the best way to win at craps is by playing the pass-line and using two come bets! Then comes the funny part of their class they give you two promotional chips to get you to play their craps game and the results are always the same!

    They now have a table full of new losers that have fun playing craps and loved the entertainment of the game some will now always play craps the same way after all the casino told they the best way to win at playing craps!
    Some will tell everybody that they only play craps for the entertainment of the game and you can't beat the game. The funny thing is they will sit in a casino playing the bubble for hours for a dollar.

    I once had a so-called DI tell me that he played craps for the fun of it but what I was watching made me want to puke. He was raising hell with a dealer for doing his job when the dealer fixed one of his bets to make it a right bet! He told the dealer he know what he was doing and he was playing craps for the fun of it.

    When he sevened out a few rolls later I said something to him about how he overreacted to the dealer doing the right thing and he jumped all over me for sticking up for the dealer and told me that he played craps for the fun of it!

    Needless to say, that was the last time I ever spent any time with that so-called DI. He came from one of the DI schools that evidently never taught table etiquett! Now, this might not fly with some of you but most dealers work hard at what they are doing and the problem with that statement is I said most because there are now dealers that go to work to pick up an envelope full of the tips that they didn't earn!

    They are the ones that hate their jobs and it shows in how they treat their players! Most craps players will never use the computer that sits on their shoulders! No, they will go by what some of these books say and what the casinos tell them to do!

    For some on this board, their expertise will be a dollar bubble craps player that tells everybody that you can't win at playing craps! Now, before that guy post back I will write his reply is he has no control over what someone reads and take out of the post he writes. No, they will read all of those little quotes that are all taken out of context because he will not put links to those quotes and he knows that most are just too lazy to read what was really written!

    There are a few on this board that I have met that I know can win at craps but they sit and do nothing when others are calling some on this board names! Maybe they don't want to see guys that can win on the tables or guys that know how to play the game. They never figured out that if other players knew how to play they wouldn't have to put up with some of the things that happen every day on the craps tables!

    I want to thank rkidalowski for his post it shows that there is hope for some on this board to learn how to win most of the times when they play craps! No, they are not going to win every time they play, hell I don't do that but I do win enough to cover a losing session.
    On the thread that I started about Big Wins, most will never have them because they do not know how to win playing craps. If I posted the wins I have I would be called a liar, I keep saying that you do not have to be a so-called DI to win at craps but you need to know how to bet the game and play to win, not play to slowly lose as the math of the game tells you that you will do if you play the way the casinos want you to play craps!

    After all they teach you to play the pass-line and use two come bets, need I say more?

    Now, just waiting on the attacks to start!
     
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  17. Bases loaded, Jan 9, 2018

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    It was 1979 and I was at Bob Stupak's 'Vegas World' (where the Stratosphere is now) and a dealer did in fact teach me to play craps.

    Pass line with full odds, then continuous (not 2) COME bets with full odds. I believe they were 10x at that time.

    I have played the game the same for going on 40 years.

    I have had many big, big wins. I have had a number of flaming catastrophes.

    Now I don't play a lot. Four or five times a year. I am not a professional like SuperRick. And I won't apologize for enjoying myself. Others who aspire to be pros should seek out the advice and training offered by SuperRick and James Hall. Others should just.....

    HAVE FUN, and GOOD LUCK!
     
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  18. Bases loaded, Jan 9, 2018

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    And what is this shit about being 'Attacked'?

    You are not attacked.

    Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean you are being attacked.

    Give me a break.

    Oh, you will probably construe this as 'an attack'. Sorry!
     
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  19. tabletop123, Jan 9, 2018

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    Yep!
     
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  20. James Hall, Jan 9, 2018

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    One thing that would be helpful to you would be to go thru the posts and read very carefully, Much of the conflict and controversy on this and other forums comes from what people are posting and why . Some on this got on here with the intention of helping , others are doing all they can to see that useful information is held at a minimum.
    Those that are trying to control the flow of information call that , "SELF PRESERVATION"
    They feel that it is in their best interest to keep the number of skilled players to a minimum . Those people use terms such as , "THESE THINGS SHOULD NEVER BE DISCUSSED ON AN OPEN FORUM" they say , "THE CASINOS MONITOR THESE FORUMS"
    Some of these people don't want you to know what they know
    There is a very few on here or other forums who really do want to help
    The other part of this problem is that when someone does post something useful the , "NAYSAYERS" IMMEDIATELY jump in to trivialize what has been posted to prevent people from gaining useful information
    remember terms like "POSTING on an OPEN FORUM is an instant giveaway to those
    "who don"t want you to know"
    They feel the , more you know , the more in jeopardy their , "SELF PRESERVATION"
     
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