Is dice setting of any value?

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  1. Grizzoola, Jul 15, 2015

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    I'm not talking about DI. I am & will always be a random shooter, but I notice many random shooters set the dice. So, is there any benefit as to what numbers you random shooters have on top when you shoot? My main numbers are the 6 & 8, & the 3V set is recommended for that.

    I know the dice tumble, etc., but is there any experience of yours where setting your dice produces more wins than not? Do you set the dice, at all? I know there is no more verifiable evidence of this method than there is of DI, so maybe it's as much belief as verifiable experience. Maybe it's a case of, "Whatever makes you happy."
     
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  2. TDVegas, Jul 15, 2015

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    That would be my guess. I don't think it has any real bearing of producing better results. It's just more superstition and people trying to be consistent. Does it tilt the odds at all? There's nothing saying yes or no...but my guess is there is nothing to be gained by doing it.

    My first question about these strategic plays is always directed to the casinos. They are the ones exposed to it on a daily basis x1,000's of players. Do they care? I haven't seen it stopped or prevented and if it has been, it's likely the result of someone taking forever to toss the dice rather than some fear of advantage play.
     
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  3. DeMango, Jul 15, 2015

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    There is no value to any dice setting if you don't measure results. Since the vast majority here and elsewhere do not measure results in the casino, they cannot compensate, fail in their efforts, and you know who, wins the argument.

    And don't think also that there is no need of a coach. He can pick up on your improper techniques. And if he is honest, tell you if talent is lacking.
     
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  4. basicstrategy777, Jul 16, 2015

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    Setting the dice is something I do with the 6/4 brothers.

    I set the dice because it makes me appear like I know something and that I'm an ol pro. Also, on those times when I have an exceptional hand I am viewed as someone special, with unusual gifts.....a really good craps player. I enjoy all the chatter and clapping and noise, which results from my obvious expertise. All this almost adulation adds to my feel good experience when at the table.

    777
     
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  5. KokomoJoe4, Jul 18, 2015

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    Where is the CBK when you need him?

    I'm hoping to see a few more of the photo-album shots of the 6/4 brothers. Remember the one from their infancy, and I'm guessing that many more are out there for our viewing pleasure.
     
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  6. mycoalsmith, Jul 21, 2015

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    I set the dice, but I can't say it helps. Every once in a while, I throw a good hand - so I like to think it helps me. But when others who just throw the dice throw a good hand . . . . . . it probably doesn't.
     
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  7. hartzehn22, Jul 21, 2015

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    I have been setting the dice for the past 10 years and have tracked probably about 80% of my rolls. I also enjoy tracking the other shooters that are on the table when I play. I track both random shooters and dice setters. I try to track the dice set of the DS when possible and I always observe the style of each player's throw regardless if they are random or a DS. I also track how each dice rolls within a roll. Does the 8 come hard or soft and in what variation. I particularly like this information and will use the trends in the number variations to bet accordingly. There are a ton of variables that will effect each throw and I think that is what is most intriguing for me as a craps player. I like to think that I am able to influence the outcome of my rolls BUT many times I am quite certain the die are hugely biased (especially the dark ones they use at the casino I frequent) and of course this creates more of a challenge to snipe out the numbers I want based on my dice set. Partly this is what makes the game so challenging in combination with attempting to beat the house edge or at least neutralize it, tangle with and become best friends with the biased dice, and then......snipe out numbers I know I can probably hit within 5-10 rolls and bet accordingly. My come out roll and the 2 or 3 rolls that follow usually give me a good idea of whether the dice are going to behave or not and whether I will be able to snipe out the numbers I want. Often I am not looking so much for a long roll - although that is always great to have but I am hoping for a few numbers to repeat that I know I can get if I'm controlling the dice. When a table is not crowded - less than 2 or 3 shooters, I use this opportunity to shoot more frequently, keep my bets minimal and try and get a good sense of what the dice are doing.
     
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  8. rudeboy99, Jul 23, 2015

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    Griz, methinks you like stirring the shit...not an insult, just an observation...:D
     
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  9. Grizzoola, Jul 23, 2015

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    Rudeboy, I don't see where I'm "stirring the shit." This is a board of experienced, long-time players. I have seen random tossers setting their dice before tossing. I'd just like to know if it's better to have a set on my dice before I toss as a random tosser.

    Is there any indication that having a set lined up on top before a random toss results in more wins than losses? I'm thinking it might, because, regardless of the random-inducing effect of the table, the back wall, etc., the nos. on top at the toss, selected by the tosser, may affect the outcome when random nos. on top produce only random results.

    I simply do not know, and apparently, on this board no one else does, either, which is ok. As a craps newbie on this board (only 60 sessions in the past 3 years, due to no fault of my own), I'm just tossing this out.

    I'm slowly learning that there's no certainty in playing craps, even if I'd set my dice before tossing them. As I get more experience, I'll have to come to my own conclusions. But, no, I don't like "stirring the shit," and I'm sorry you see my posts this way.
     
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  10. rudeboy99, Jul 23, 2015

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    I meant it in a humorous way Griz, sorry. I was really trying to make the point that the proponents for dice control are always going to claim that a player is crazy to even try to play without the skills needed for advantage play while the anti-DI faction is pretty much convinced you'd be better off trying voodoo than waste a second otherwise, to a man. The facts are this, regardless of the set you use, most clubs will INSIST that when a player shoots that the dice a) get a bounce off the layout and b) BOTH dice should make contact with the far wall, striking the diamond patterned baffles. The dealers and boxman should let it slide occasionally if the shooter is making an honest effort to make a clean roll. Where the problems occur, (discounting overzealous employees over reacting to the odd short roll) is when an obvious DI tries short rolling the majority of the time, trying to influence the outcome with a less than ethical roll, the game can go to hell. One fact that must be realized is that IF a DI can consistently manipulate the outcome of the roll, the sole counter measures ( besides banning known DI's ) for the House are the requirements that the dice must hit the layout and the back wall. With these measures I have yet to see a DI CONSISTENTLY control the roll to their advantage...EVER!
     
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  11. Dave G Ct, Jul 23, 2015

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    Both die hitting the BW is no big deal. You will 7 out more if you do not hit it. Now I do not hit the pyramids when I use my UH shot. On occasion I will fail to hit the wall but it is unintentionally
     
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  12. TDVegas, Jul 24, 2015

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    Now, THAT is a post. I presume a front line dealer too? Succinct. Truth.
     
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  13. $nakeEye$, Jul 24, 2015

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    Grizzoola -

    ASK yourself THIS question -

    " WHY is ANY event which can produce an unlikely " win " scenario -

    Commonly referred to as a " Crap Shoot " !

    WHEN you answer THAT -

    YOU just answered YOUR own question ! ;)

    $...eE..
     
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  14. DeMango, Jul 24, 2015

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    If more dice setters would set the dice on 7's all around, they would have better rolls. Now that's value! And of course the V3 set is great if you need a seven! (Hop the 3/11)
     
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  15. KokomoJoe4, Jul 24, 2015

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    LOL,

    Frank S. would probably disagree with your assessment of the 3V, eh DeMango?

    As you apparently do, some shooters believe that setting on a number you don't want is the way to avoid it. But wait, I recall that you are an on-axis guy, so I am a bit confused.
     
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  16. hartzehn22, Jul 24, 2015

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    What do you mean by this? Just curious on your interpretation of why this is so with these particular dice sets.
     
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  17. gargoil, Jul 24, 2015

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    Why is it when someone wants to master bowling, darts, archery or even basketball nobody laughs at them or calls them idiots. But when you talk about mastering throwing dice they laugh at you? They ALL have the same concept. Trying to influence an object when it leaves you hands. Where / how it lands after that is irrelevant.
    It's not about athleticism. You don't need to be an athlete to play darts or archery.
     
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  18. hartzehn22, Jul 24, 2015

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    I think the DI naysayers don't laugh or call them idiots when a DI crap player is sniping out numbers and cashing out from the table.
     
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  19. Onautopilot, Jul 24, 2015

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    I always maintained that I thought DI was possible, but the reason I am highly suspect when a lot of people say they are taking the casinos for a ride.....is that the casinos don't seem to think it's any threat either. Just my own personal opinion, based on years of play, working on the other side of the table, and having friends and relatives still working in the craps pits.

    Most of the people on this forum, that claim and report big wins, and hands, using DI, have something to sell, or are promoting what others are selling. A true DI'er, taking chips off the tables on a consistent basis, is not on this forum bragging about it...and you can take that to the bar, relax and have a cold beer while you ponder it!

    I am in no way calling anyone on here a liar....I truly believe a lot of so called DI'ers really believe they are influencing the dice, and I certainly have no quarrel with that. I think they base their belief on the wins, and good hands that they do experience, although they do not seem to have the statistics to properly evaluate those wins verses loses scenarios.

    DI proponents getting together to share thoughts and experiences is great, but when they choose a public forum for that, they should expect to receive negative feedback...and they will get it! When the debate evolves into name calling and personal attacks, neither side is furthering their cause....only re-enforcing their inability to communicate intelligently!

    And that's all I have to say about that....maybe. :)
     
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  20. Bases loaded, Jul 24, 2015

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    The out right war that a group of posters on this board is waging against a single individual is quite amazing.

    The nastiness of the one side does not seem to faze our intrepid skeptic.

    The tenacity and stick-to-it-ness of our lone hold out is remarkable.

    I would have given up and moved on (I believe this is the one side's actual intent. The differing opinion is bad for business).

    It's very impressive to see a man who has the courage of his convictions and also the patience and energy to keep responding.
     
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