Is Craps beatable

Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by zbest1966, Feb 19, 2019.

  1. James Hall, Feb 23, 2019

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    Very good , You come on with some snide irritating silly "@$$" post
    and actually inadvertently give some very good advice.
    let me finish it for you.
    There are 2 each of each of the 6 box numbers on that axis of rotation
    4 - 5 - 6 - 8 - 9 & 10 Bet across ie. all 6 box numbers,
    First toss a 6 you're on it , Next toss...5 you're on it and so on.
    Nope with the across we don't have to roll a number twice to collect once
    we are already on it first hit second hit when your come bet travels
    we collect or press. MUCH BETTER OPTION.
    That is as good a definition as any , whatever box number shows up
    you are on it to collect or press. Those who would have you bet only
    one or two numbers would have you missing a lot of potential bets.
    But let's call it . "BET WHAT THE DICE ARE GIVING YOU" BOX NUMBERS.

    so if you bet across regardless of what box number comes up ,
    "YOU GOT IT COVERED"
     
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  2. James Hall, Feb 23, 2019

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    Nah , you know better than that IT'S SKILL
    PROFITABLE CLUMPING of numbers IS influence.
    In fact I might stop calling it influence AND CALL IT
    "CLUMPING NUMBERS for PROFIT"
    Last night I was clumping the 4s and 9
    Clumping I like that.
    Yeah but they learn how to profitably CLUMP.
    They go into the casino and CLUMP their , "@$$" off and make money
    and the poor old randy never , "CLUMPS NUTHIN"
    He's a total , "NON CLUMPER" .
     
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  3. JL Vegas, Feb 23, 2019

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    With a 83.3% chance of winning? You do the math. https://gph.is/28L7eR9
     
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  4. James Hall, Feb 23, 2019

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    TDV talks a lot about everybody being the same
    We all Win and Lose at the same rate .
    None of us any better than anybody else
    To him we all fit into the norm , to him we are all just average.

    Well I'm not average , who the hell wants to be average???
    "Average is that place in the middle ,
    "It's the best of the worst
    or the worst of the best"

    You can be there if you want but , NOT ME
    I prefer , EXCELLENCE .
     
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  5. TDVegas, Feb 23, 2019

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    Nothing in this realm is provable, verifiable or can be validated.

    What's the point discussing it?

    I'm open to discussion how we, as a group, validate who is better than who, who is above average, who is below average....at craps.
     
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  6. JL Vegas, Feb 23, 2019

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    The 4 9 10 are cover with Place bets and field so I win both bets and I also pres s the 4 or 10 if it hits on the first roll. Two rolls after the point is established and down. Now tell me again what is the max I can win
     
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  7. von duck, Feb 23, 2019

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    Define "press" and I'll tell you your max win. :cool: jL huh, what happened, you run out of ideas, so now your going to roll the alphabet, in front of "Vegas". Like modern car plates? :) How about FUVegas? :D Keep trying TD. :cool:
     
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  8. JL Vegas, Feb 24, 2019

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    Using house wins only, except for the vig to get correct odds, I would press it up another $25, or I could do a full press and take it to $75. Pretty straightforward, wash, rinse repeat. 2 rolls and down, wait for the next comeout roll, same betting method, and if I survive the two rolls after the comeout, color me gone.

    6 ways of losing, 30 ways of winning per roll. 83,3333% in my favor, but if a seven should roll, and has, I walk away. No shame in knowing when to walk, the shame comes when you don’t walk.
     
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  9. von duck, Feb 24, 2019

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    If you want to know your max win, I need to know what you WILL do, not what your options are. So, as you're going to play it, what is a "press". :cool:
     
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  10. yacraps, Feb 24, 2019

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    Hi JL...so let me make sure what your saying...you don't mind betting 175 to possibly winning only 30...Im not knocking this strategy but I must say,all that adrenal flowing just for a 15 or 20 dollar win on each roll you got some courage brother ;)
     
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  11. KokomoJoe4, Feb 24, 2019

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    Agreed yacraps - one thing I do agree with concerning JH's play is the use of soft money very aggressively.

    If JL is up $175 and wants to spread it out across + Field to ensure a small (possibly very small) hit on every roll, go for it.

    I'd place 10 on the Come, parlay every come out winner that rolled and leave the now larger bet sit without odds until a decision, or in the event a box number came out, back it with 100 odds and wait for a decision.

    Worst case here is a $110 loser and a trip home as $65 KJ4, not as good as $75 Dave but better than a loser.
     
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  12. yacraps, Feb 24, 2019

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    Koko I remember the first time (after I discovered the Iron Cross) I bet the Iron Cross it was at a downtown casino in Vegas..after the bet hit I told my base dealer bring me down and color me up...Ill never forget what that older man said to me, it was "hey kid the next time you get ready to make this bet...call us we will send you a cab"
     
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  13. JL Vegas, Feb 24, 2019

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    You are correct that is one variation of this bet, you can substitute it with HW and Hop bets. The $30 win is a result of the 3 or 11 Field number, moved that up to the 5 or 9, 4 or 10, same amount of time but more money. I am not fond of staying at anyone table/casino for any length of time,and that is a good thing, but one could stay through any number of sessions if they so desire. It all comes down to one’s comfort level.
     
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  14. Mssthis1, Feb 24, 2019

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    I don't use the odds as aggressively as you but I really like that play on the pass line. The gal next to me the other night had what looked like a mediocre roll but it had 4 comeout sevens and 2 comeout eleven's. Got my $10 pass line bet up to $150, hit it and back down to $10. I only went to $15 on the first hit instead of parlaying it. 10/15/25/40/60/90/150 down. Only had $40 in odds since I same bet the first 4 box number hits.

    Hind site is 20/20. ;)
     
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  15. JL Vegas, Feb 24, 2019

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    The second roll after the comeout, again providing no 7 shows, I take all my bets down. Press? Ok quick example. $25Buy on the 10. The 10 hits the dealer hands me $50, I tell him to press, increase, my 10 to $50 or $75. If I get lucky enough to see another 10 on the very next roll, after the vig has been paid, the dealer will pay me either $100 on the $50, or $150 on the $75 bet, and then I take all my bets down.
     
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  16. The Midnight Skulker, Feb 24, 2019

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  17. von duck, Feb 24, 2019

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    :confused: Did I make the question too complicated? :)
     
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  18. tabletop123, Feb 24, 2019

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    I guess I am just a dreamer......but that's okay, because one thing that I refuse to do is to bullshit myself.
    One of the very reasons that Dice Influencers go broke is because they make horrible bets & overestimate their skill level.

    Most don't know what the fu**k their gonna toss. They toss with absolutely no intent, other than to avoid the Seven Out. Well, guess what? Random Rollers do the same thing, but they don't call themselves skilled when their dice fly all over the table, hitting every number, & they toss a 25 roll hand. Dice Influencers DO!!

    They say stuff like....just concentrate on your toss. Don't worry about what numbers hit. Don't pay attention to what your left/right die are doing, because it interferes with your concentration, & fu**ks up your toss. Lol

    REALLY? So...you want to influence the dice, but you're not intelligent enough to be multi-tasked, because it interferes with your toss? Lol

    The toss is NOT everything! When you drive a Car, don't ya want to know where you are going, or do you want to just joy ride?,

    When you are driving, are you NOT concerned with the potholes, or possible obstructions in the street?

    The schools, Gurus tell you to only concentrate on the toss. Don't think about your results. Don't concern yourself with WHICH die is the culprit.....JUST TOSS. lol

    Well, if you believe in Dice Influencing, shouldn't you be concerned with what each die is doing? How about which die is flipping over, & is it flipping to the left or to the right? Is THAT not something that you can utilize to your advantage?

    Shouldn't you be concerned with the Arrays that your dice are landing in?

    But, but, but....are ya gonna influence the dice or use that other stuff? Me? I am gonna use EVERYTHING to improve my knowledge of how the dice are performing & if THAT thinking process tends to fu**k up my toss.....SO BE IT!!!

    I'd rather to NOT toss dice at all, than to toss dice & NOT analyze HOW my dice are performing.

    Ya do what works for YOU, & when/if it. Happens to fail ....just remember that these "Other" so-called BETTER techniques that the Gurus use.......THEY FAIL AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER, too!

    Everything GOOD that you hear about these So-Called great Shooters......take with a grain of salt.
     
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  19. TDVegas, Feb 24, 2019

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    I wouldn’t have an issue with this either....

    But it sounds like he's doing it from the get go...not after being up $175.

    I can only speak from what I see. All across gets cracked as a regular play. That’s not to say it never wins. It does. He’s only doing 2 hits and he’s also diluting a win on the 5-6-8 with the field bet.

    If he's only up for 2 hits and walks with his $30-$40 bucks....so be it. He might catch lightning for a bunch of sessions. One issue...One early 7 and the hole dug becomes quite large in relation to recouping it. Then you need more than 2-3 hits just to get back even.

    Does he leave after losing $100+?....and simply say "better days" and then starts anew the next time? Meaning he's not really keeping track?

    If someone comes into town and wants action on all rolls....go for it. You might catch lightning. As a regular, consistent, weekly, semi daily play....I think you're going to get cracked when Jan. 1 - Dec. 31 is added up.

    The saving grace is only 2 hits and walk.

    Anyone want to test this on a sim.? I’ll give it a shot over 30 sessions.
     
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  20. TDVegas, Feb 24, 2019

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    Easily doable? Yeah, I think not. Nothing is easily doable on the craps table, IMO. Especially, making regular bank vs. losses.
    A bit of a loaded situation. Anyone can win more times than not. The question is are you winning more overall in your winning sessions than you are losing overall in your losing sessions?

    There is no strategic play that can accomplish this.

    It’s either DI...
    Cheat.
    Or read bad dice.

    Otherwise, the piper will come calling eventually.
     
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