Is Craps beatable

Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by zbest1966, Feb 19, 2019.

  1. James Hall, Feb 21, 2019

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    I'm sure that makes Frank feel better about it.
     
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  2. James Hall, Feb 21, 2019

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    I could see that.:eek:
     
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  3. James Hall, Feb 21, 2019

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    Yeah , HOPING sucks. A winner goes in expecting things are going to happen
    because he's going to work to MAKE them happen.
    It's the old
    Wish in one hand and
    "$#*^T" in the other and se which one gets full first"
    SCENARIO .
     
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  4. twodicebilly, Feb 21, 2019

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    TDV

    I have seen that...…..but just between me and you, if you are having fun
    without losing your butt....you got the right idea.

    My partner here goes nuts when he hits a point or a hardways, I think he is
    crazy...but then maybe i am for not doing that.

    tdb
     
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  5. tabletop123, Feb 21, 2019

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    Nope, I absolutely love the Challenge of beating probability by tossing the dice a CERTAIN way.

    What I hate is the bullish**t that is conveyed to " those" that might be on the Dice Influencing fence.

    YOU feel the need to help those that want to beat the game.
    I feel the need to expose the realities to those that are trying to beat the game with Dice Influencing.

    Sorta like separating the " Shit" from the "Ship".
     
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  6. TDVegas, Feb 21, 2019

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    Most on the bubble will make a fist or a fist pump upon hitting a point. Bubble craps is a bit more reserved than the table.
     
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  7. James Hall, Feb 21, 2019

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    I am really bad when it comes to things like that.
    It seems like when someone needs help
    I just naturally seem to want to help.
    Are you saying that those people on the fence would be
    better served if the message was

    "The math says you are going to lose and the math doesn't lie" or

    "You can play but don't expect to win because craps is
    a negative expectation game so you should expect a negative outcome".or


    How about , "Winning is a matter of timing , you win
    by being at the right place at the right time"


    "There is no skill there is only luck , you can only win thru luck or variance"
     
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  8. James Hall, Feb 21, 2019

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    Then is your deal to sell the negative?? ,
    Are you wanting to convey , you can't win long run??.
     
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  9. tabletop123, Feb 21, 2019

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    Come on Jimmy....let's cut the shit. You know EXACTLY what I'm referring to......The tall tales & delusions of Grandeur.

    Regardless of your little jabs...I DO believe in Influence. I simply believe that it's marginal ( At best), & that the game of craps is NOT designed for people to make a living/prosper at.
    Can you win? Absolutely! Is the game beatable? Yes, but ONLY through Dice Influencing, & only for those that can unbiasedly prove it to THEMSELVES.....which involves much more than going to a Casino thrice a yearn & then concluding that they influence the roll.
     
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  10. James Hall, Feb 21, 2019

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    That's because on the bubble there is no real feeling of accomplishment.
    Players are not really contributing to the outcome of the game.
    The machine produces the outcomes , the players are engaged
    in a guessing game. They sit there and GUESS what number might
    come up.If they are right more times than not they come out ahead
    but because the game is random and the players
    HAVE NO CONTROL over the outcome that is a game that
    truly is , a "RANDOM GAME of CHANCE".
     
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  11. James Hall, Feb 21, 2019

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    That being the case that is what it will always be.
    You set limitations on yourself , I will not set for myself.
    You believe it's marginal , I believe there are no limitations
    other than what a person sets for himself.
    In my world , if I can be pretty good at something , I can be one hell
    of a lot better with a little work.

    TDVegas likes to say , "Craps wasn't designed to reward skill"
    And by GAWD he was absolutely right , it wasn't
    "BUT IT DOES" Skilled players ARE ABLE TO WIN.
    Here is where you and I are different. We have a different SET ATTITUDE.
    My attitude is ,

    If one person on the planet can do something I want to do
    I know I can learn to do it too.

    If there is something I want to do and
    no one has ever done it then I WILL BE THE FIRST EVER TO DO IT"

    People with a limited positive mental attitude say I am arrogant.
    They aren't even smart enough to understand , that is simply DETERMINATION.

    I have done things when people have told me I couldn't
    I AM NOT GOING TO LET THEM DECIDE FOR ME
    WHAT I CAN OR CANNOT DO , I will decide if I can or not
    after I have tried.

    Dice control / Influence is no different , I learned , I practice ,I do the work.
    I invest a great deal of TIME , EFFORT & ENERGY. I do well.
    Winning is proof enough.
    The number of times a person goes to a casino has little or nothing
    to do with a persons skill level or skill set.
    This crap from TDVegas about James never plays is just his bull , "WHACKEY".
    and has nothing to do with skill.
    I was over in Vegas this last weekend , did well and visited some friends.


    TDVegas read somewhere that ,
    "CRAPS WAS NOT DESIGNED TO REWARD SKILL"
    That doesn't mean a damned thing .
    He also says that , "Nobody is making all or any part of their income playing craps"
    He's wrong about that too.

    I guess I haven't seen any of those.
     
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  12. James Hall, Feb 21, 2019

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    I would have to say TDVegas , you and some others on this forum
    are among the most negative people I have
    ever communicated with in my life.
    The group here baffle the imagination they play a game
    they would have the world believe they can't win at and yet they
    continue on . it is just absolutely and totally counter intuitive.
    They get their brains beat out and they keep coming back.

    That's like a bull rider on the circuit riding every week end
    never making 8 seconds but still being there to top a bull every week end.
     
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  13. BuckShot, Feb 21, 2019

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    It's still a tough call because:
    1) sometimes it's hard to put black chips in play even with the regular shooters. Lately not many of the regular shooters are showing consistency in their rolls (Eg: Repeating numbers, Points)
    2) Scared money. Although I've recently had a good run and upped my game to betting larger amounts. It scares the crap out of me seeing the dice land and the 7 is just creeping with each roll.
    3) My greed had made me a small prize just recently but not convincing enough to do it all the time.
     
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  14. BuckShot, Feb 21, 2019

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    Ontariodealer see's me at the tables all the time. I don't gamble too much like I used to. I find the biggest secret to winning at the game of craps is:

    1) BUY STUFF. Treat yourself to a nice shopping spree.
    2) Don't waste your casino winnings experimenting with new systems. Stick with those that work.
    3) Get greedy with your betting but not all the time. Yes this is a temporary thing and it has worked for me many times with simply PARLAY your winnings 4 times on a single number and then cash out and go shopping.

    About WoV. Let them know that I just purchased a brand new KIA RIO EX 2019 for my wife. Just picked up earlier today at 5PM with my recent casino profits. (I know I could have bought something else but that's the car she wanted) I'm not retired yet from gambling but I have slowed down to once a week. I really miss that forum.
     
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  15. TDVegas, Feb 21, 2019

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    Pass line wager with come bets....you're hanging in there.

    Across the board....you've likely left looking for greener pastures...

    Shit happens.

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    Betting the 4 & 5?....cleaning up. Wild stuff happens. While I'm sure these sequences happen on the table, the bubble log of 15 rolls lets you see it up close, personal and on record.

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    Choppy, choppy.

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  16. tabletop123, Feb 21, 2019

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    Just for the record Jimmy......I have experienced ONLY one loss in my last 10-15 Casino visits. The last loss being $85.

    I am making THAT known because of all of this " Looser" bullish**t that you keep spewing. Yes, I believe that influence is marginal.

    Yes, I believe that SOME are more SKILLED than others. That's With any competitive endeavor.

    I just don't believe/haven't met ANYONE with a skill level to supplement/play craps for a living.

    In my OPINION, the skill is too marginal, & fleeting to make a LONG TERM difference.
    I sure hope that ONE DAY, I can witness one of those Skilled Players that are talented enough to make a living tossing dice. When I finally meet one....I'll be certain to stick to them like glue.

    I guess In all fairness.....anything is possible, but UNTIL I witness these stellar shooters.....i harbor my reservations.

    One thing is certain.....it's not Rocket science to figure out that a person that REGULARLY tosses 10 roll hands SHOULD employ an Iron Cross type Strategy, & collect on EVERY hit, & pull their bets down on toss number 8.

    $$$$ Cha-Ching!!!
     
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  17. tabletop123, Feb 21, 2019

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    Lol. "Your Highness" is safely tucked away in bed. You'll have to wait until later to hear: " The Mesa Crew would have made THOUSANDS"! Lol
     
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    Wow, if you show TD what numbers rolled, he can tell you how to make money on that roll. "Brilliant"!! :) If anybody else does this same thing, they're "past posting"? :confused:
     
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  19. Mssthis1, Feb 22, 2019

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    Bubble here was that way last night also. Too many long rolls and the sevens were bunched together too much for the way I was playing. First losing session in a couple weeks.

    The weather you guys had is moving in here tonight so we'll probably stay home. They don't know if it's going to be rain,freezing rain, sleet, snow or a mix of all of the above. Best guess is a little of everything.

    Good weekend to work on taxes for me.
     
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  20. twodicebilly, Feb 22, 2019

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    Amen to that.

    I have never seen such a negative guy in my life. If the only thing I had to ever
    read on the game of craps was his posts.....I would never play the game again.

    You have him so messed up he cant think straight, I bet he cant shit without
    first wondering if you would have done it better!!!!

    For my part, I would much rather encourage people to play the game, see if they
    can get better than they are. I do that because you never know how good some one
    can be. I have been on both the good and bad sides of this game, I enjoy it as much
    today as I did 40 years ago. I feel more certain that dice control is not possible, and
    more certain that there ARE things a player can do to win more than he is supposed
    to.

    Some guys are just not worth talking to, they drag you down to their level and will
    change your drive to get better if you allow them to. TDV and I have gone around
    the block many times, some his fault and some mine...but he still has a positive
    outlook.

    Always expect the best....

    TDB
     
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