Is Craps beatable

Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by zbest1966, Feb 19, 2019.

  1. TDVegas, Feb 21, 2019

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    Who says no snow in Vegas...

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    Usually I can see the spring mountains and red rock mountains from where I am....total white out today. I'll see if I can capture some more pics later.
     
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    I wonder how much Mead will come up this spring?
     
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  6. James Hall, Feb 21, 2019

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    Almost everybody.
     
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  7. James Hall, Feb 21, 2019

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  8. James Hall, Feb 21, 2019

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    This stuff you so often and incorrectly categorize as PAST POSTING
    is very valuable as a learning tool for those who
    are actually interested in learning to win at craps.
    Think of it as being much like those occasions , when your football coach
    in high school or college use to review the game films
    and use them for a , "CHALK TALK" , same principle ,
    You can review the tape and see what you did right , what you might have done wrong
    and adjust your betting strategy accordingly.
    Here in Mesa we have a way of practicing whereby ,
    we are past posting , "BEFORE THE ROLL"

    Talk about profitable learning sessions, they qualify in every way
    as a full blown , "WOW WHACKER" and help allow those frequent
    "VAULT ASSAULTS" , we all enjoy so much.
    Call it a key to the VAULT if you will , that's one of those terms you like.
     
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  9. twodicebilly, Feb 21, 2019

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    JAMES


    Tdv and a couple of these other guys are wrong so often, you would think
    they belong in a room on gardening or something.

    Just a couple of examples......

    Tracking data......this is a very valuable tool because many times patterns
    repeat themselves, and knowing what past results can show helps you
    see repeat patterns quicker. Data Is invaluable when it comes to set
    changes.

    random game...….TDV talks out of both sides of his mouth. One of the main things
    these guys spout off about is the difference between your home table and a casino
    table..... if the game was 100% random...there would be no difference, you could not
    beat the home table any easier than the casino.....random is random. that is why it is
    vital that you can bet your home table.

    the size of your bet indicated how well you influence the dice......this one is a sure
    indication that the guy that uses it has very little understand of the game of craps
    or dice setting. The more you know about dice setting, and the attempt at dice
    control, the better you understand the fine line between influenced and random
    results....the size of your bet is more determined by the type of gambler you
    are than it is by whether you set the dice or not.

    TDB
     
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  10. James Hall, Feb 21, 2019

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    is constantly saying to me ,
    "If you were actually good at DI you would be starting with bigger bets"

    Table Top makes statements very similar.
    Neither of them understand my game or level of skill.
    I have repeated constantly I am a trend player , I roll a lot
    of repeaters. In a decent roll I might roll 6 or more eights , for me
    that represents over $1100 won on that number alone because
    the tables we play are $10 minimum and more now.

    They spout crap like , Get on bet a thousand dollars grab the cash and leave.
    Why do that when I can risk $84 toss the dice 10 or 12 times and
    leave??

    They are constantly harping about how difficult the game is.
    I find that people that do that usually have a piss poor game.
     
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  11. TDVegas, Feb 21, 2019

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    You risk $42 because you are afraid you are going to roll a 7.

    No more. No less. Just afraid.

    I'm not criticizing it. Many random players play the same game.

    You are just making your own argument that the 7 can show on the next roll. No different than Grandma chucker. So....bet the least amount possible.
    Wa....wa....wait a minute. Roll six or more 8's in 10-12 rolls?

    LOL....Is it me, or does Billy not see the horseshit that flies out of this guy?
     
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  12. TDVegas, Feb 21, 2019

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    On Billy...I've basically said my peace. I do not believe he has much of an understanding of probability mathematics, chi squared, valid SRR calculations or even how to determine a confidence level based on his own data.

    I think he essentially just believes what he has already convinced himself. There's nothing necessarily wrong with that...I just wouldn't bet the ranch on it. I don't think he does.

    Otherwise...enjoy your play.
     
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  13. tabletop123, Feb 21, 2019

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    Yep....THAT'S it in a Nut Shell. Doyle Brunson graduated to Higher Stakes Poker as he became more proficient. Eric Sidel.....Same thing.

    Phil Ivey....Same. Listen....if your skill level evolves, it simply makes perfect sense to increase your wagers.

    Most hands are relatively short for Dice Influencers, & Random Rollers alike. Betting $5-$6 bets & thinking/hoping to toss 15-20 roll hands consistently is a fool's errand. However, these guys will lie, & tell you that they do it regularly. Lol

    These guys are so talented/skilled....they won't even put up a large bet FOR ONLY ONE ROLL, & regress to table minimum to put them in a IMMEDIATE position wherein they have a profit in their rack, & THEY ARE PLAYING ON HOUSE MONEY. Lol.

    All of this SAID skill, & ya don't believe in your skill for ONLY one roll ( Assuming SAID skilled shooter is betting Across).

    It's the same bullish**t excuse.....If you understood the game.....the way that I toss the dice, blah, blah, blah.

    I recall a Trip report over on Heavy's forum wherein a Student said that he expected to see $360- $540 Across , $100 bets per number from the Instructors, & so-called talented Shooters.

    Well....according to the Poster.....these so-called talented Shooters were squeezing ion $5 chips as though they were betting their Social Security checks.

    Remember THIS.....Dice Influencers ( Myself included) are NOTORIOUS for giving bullish**t excuses when things don't go THEIR way.

    They Seven out, & it's...." the dice slipped out of my hand. The release didn't feel right. I'm not warmed up yet. Chips in my landing zone.

    Hands dangling over the rails. Table too bouncy. Dice Unbalanced. Every friggin excuse imaginable.

    JAMES pre-post reply: Another Naysayer's day, huh, Tableflipper?
     
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  14. twodicebilly, Feb 21, 2019

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    TDV

    you understand of course what you just said is not true.....all of us understand the testing
    we do and the results we are getting..

    I feel you judge everything we say or do against the basic ideal of complete dice control, yet at the
    same time you and I both agree that is not possible, or atleast to this point has not been proven
    as a universal concept.

    If set changes make a difference and they do, if there is a difference between your results on your
    table as compared to most casino tables, an idea which has been accepted by several on this board,
    then there exists a gray area some where between dice control and no control that is worth looking at.

    Reports on this very board suggest there is some difference between play on different types of
    bubble craps machines....

    what I am saying is that we can all have an opinion without acting like jerks...

    Sunday night we had a room full of fisherman, each and everyone had different results that day. many
    fished differently, some drank more than they fished, some like my brother and I were dumb enough
    to fish all day.....but in the end, everyone got along fine.

    tdb
     
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  15. TDVegas, Feb 21, 2019

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    I use the same terminology the “king” of the DI/DC movement uses. Frank Scoblete. He does not differentiate between DI and DC. To him (and me)....it means the same thing. The ability to skew random outcomes into non random outcomes. It’s not sniping a number or result. It’s simply skewing results away from random expectation.

    If you feel “control” means something different....so be it. I continue to side with Frank on this.
     
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    Yes. Absolutely. Agreed.

    Btw, I did win $1.17 on my place bet and I did run around the bubble waving and cheering. ;):rolleyes:
     
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  17. James Hall, Feb 21, 2019

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    That was true for quite some time , the tables
    we play are going to $10 and higher. Not a problem
    we are just getting in and out quicker.
    Nope , Not afraid , rolling a 7 is of no concern to us
    we focus on what we must do to win. Unlike your little group
    we don't concentrate on losing , we FOCUS on winning.
    People reading your posts would have to conclude that
    you fancy yourself a mind reader
    I feel sure most on this forum realize you're not
    Yes you are that's all you do , "CONTRADICT & CRITICIZE"
    You have no other way to participate.

    All random players WOULD PLAY YOUR GAME save for
    the fact that you don't play craps.
    Nope , once again you are stretching and grasping for
    something or some way to argue about something you
    know so little about. I didn't mention next roll or
    anything about rolling a 7 as I said before , I done concentrate on that
    I am focusing on winning and what I must do to accomplish that.
    The thing that most members on this forum should find the most insulting
    about you is how often you insult peoples intelligence.
    I know that there are some on this forum that truly are dumb enough
    to fall into your "$#*^T"

    You take one statement
    "James Hall, post: 247260, member: 197094"]I have repeated constantly I am a trend player , I roll a lot
    of repeaters. In a decent roll I might roll 6 or more eights , for me
    that represents over $1100 won.

    Then you combine it with another statement
    James Hall, post: 247260, member: 197094"]They spout crap like , Get on bet a thousand dollars grab the cash and leave.
    Why do that when I can risk $84 toss the dice 10 or 12 times and
    leave??
    In doing this you are trying to mislead people into believing
    I had just said I win over $1100 in 10 or 12 rolls of the dice.
     
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  18. James Hall, Feb 21, 2019

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    'Great hands' are past tense in craps"
    --TDVegas, 11-15-2015
    This has been proven to be false on many occasions
     
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  19. James Hall, Feb 21, 2019

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    WOW:D
     
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  20. James Hall, Feb 21, 2019

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    OK if you so desire.
    But I still have to wonder why you even bother.
    It sounds like you hate the game.
     
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