Is Craps beatable

Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by zbest1966, Feb 19, 2019.

  1. twodicebilly, Feb 20, 2019

    twodicebilly

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    TDV

    Now this is going to bother me the rest of my life.....the very idea that I
    would determine what I want to test or prove to myself about how
    different sets react to my shot without first consulting you ????

    How dare I do that.....

    Even worse, the idea that I would do a test to see how different sets work without
    first indicated what each and every roll was going to be before I did it...can you ever
    forgive me ???????


    Here I want to make it all better.

    I will throw...…..8,8,6,11,4,3,2


    ok now I went to the table and threw 8,8,6,11,4,3,2

    There see.... I dont want you upset. Now since I threw only one test set there wont be
    any variance to test....so I guess we cant deal here with half the time stuff.


    TDB
     
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  2. TDVegas, Feb 20, 2019

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    Again....nothing is useful unless you say your shot can produce this sequence---and then you go and actually replicate it (produce it).

    You are "King" of the "list my rolls" and then "explain why and what happened".

    Damn casino makes you wager before that...not after.

    Set up the camera, look into the camera....tell us what set and what results you plan to get....over, let's say 72 rolls----then go produce those results.

    Then you will find your audience.

    Anything else is past posting.
     
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  3. twodicebilly, Feb 20, 2019

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    Sorry bud, I did that.

    I indicated that with different sets you get different arrangements of numbers, I showed
    you that, that is all that is required......when different sets produce different groupings of
    numbers.....as they do......the idea that the game is 100% random goes out the door.

    Now how I get from that to what I do on the table is my business.

    When you decide to spend some time on a real table, get back with me.

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  4. Liman

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    I have no patience or little interest to prove or disprove dice influencing. I strongly lean to the side that claims its nonsense.
    but if someone wanted to , they can tag along with a DI shooter, and the onlyl thing they have to do is record the DI shooters financial gain or loss each session,
    Over the course of 25 sessions, I believe the answer will be clear. (don't care what the shooter is shooting for, unless he has brain damage, he is shooting to MAKE MONEY, and that's the only way to gauge success at a dice table, bad day, shot off, too many chips in way, hey, this is what craps is about, no excuses, do it or don't do it)
     
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    really, you don't think some of the big bosses each pull in 5-25 or more millions a year min? what about the other 1000s of employees?
    the loans for building it? free stuff like beverages, free play, comped rooms and food?

    maybe it only takes 40 million a year to run a casino, that's still 40 million they have to make, and they aren't making it by risking offering games where they might lose money.
     
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  6. von duck, Feb 20, 2019

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    But Liman, there is so much to be said for a pretty shot, just ask Dave. His shot looks M-A-H-V-A-L-O-U-S, and hey, who's gonna turn down $75? Huh? :)
     
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  7. von duck, Feb 20, 2019

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    40 Million? They make that much off the ATM's alone. :cool:
     
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  8. von duck, Feb 20, 2019

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    Wow, that was awesome man, called and threw 7straight numbers, and you made it look so easy. You must have really had your "stuff" today Man. I'll bet you can't do that twice in a row. :cool:
     
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  9. twodicebilly, Feb 20, 2019

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    It is a gift.

    TDB
     
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  10. James Hall, Feb 20, 2019

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    I have been known to play repeatedly in a blue moon.
    We got back from Vegas yesterday , We swung by Red Rock to meet you
    but you weren't there. We even checked out the book.
    We asked some of the dealers if they knew a guy on the
    craps forum named TDVegas they weren't much help
    One of the guys said , "That's not his name is it"?
    I said no that's just what he calls himself on the raps forum.
    I said he plays bubble craps a lot.
    They weren't much help.
    There were a few people in the Red Rock for a change.
    I took some pictures in there.
    Well maybe we will see you next trip.
     
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  11. James Hall, Feb 20, 2019

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    No the ones I know live in Vegas. 250 - 300 miles is nothing for a stepper
    we aren't anchored to the ground we can move ,
    300 miles is nothing for a stepper.
     
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  12. von duck, Feb 20, 2019

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    When you told them that he plays the bubble, did they start laughing hysterically? :D
     
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  13. James Hall, Feb 20, 2019

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    Obviously you don't understand the term or
    you are trying to mislead people.
     
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  14. James Hall, Feb 20, 2019

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    They laughed more at the name TDVegas , one guy said
    "Did his parents name him that"?
    I said no.
    They said there are two guys that play a lot of bubble craps
    but they don't know which one would be TDVegas.
     
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  15. von duck, Feb 20, 2019

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    I think I could pick TD out of the crowd. When I think TD, a picture of Homer Simpson, comes to mind. :)
     
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  16. twodicebilly, Feb 20, 2019

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    He is the guy at the bubble that is jumping up and down and then runs
    around the machine to tell his buddy he just hit the 8 with a buck on it.

    tdb
     
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  17. von duck, Feb 20, 2019

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    Wow, $1.17 profit, time to cash out, and check his comps. :)
     
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  18. twodicebilly, Feb 20, 2019

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    You stay to long your going to lose your profit.

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  19. James Hall, Feb 20, 2019

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    " 'Great hands' are past tense in craps"
    --TDVegas, 11-15-2015
    This has been proven to be false on many occasions.
     
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  20. yacraps, Feb 21, 2019

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    Duck I can really relate to this reply..when I take my little dog for a walk,she will stop and squat and when she has finished for some reason what I see on the ground I think of you :eek: ;):)
     
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