Is Craps beatable

Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by zbest1966, Feb 19, 2019.

  1. TDVegas, Feb 20, 2019

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    LOL....

    You don't even know what you're doing, Billy. Half the time you say? You didn't know shit until it was pointed out to you with the chi squared test.

    Now you grab the results..."half the time"....like you have any clue what it all means or whether it was 1/2, 1/3 or as you said "significantly different"....

    You didn't know anything until it was pointed out to you. Now you grab that data that was provided to you and declare "the point of the test was to be different half the time".

    Calling all cars...where is the short bus?
     
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  2. zbest1966, Feb 20, 2019

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    Damn you sure it take 100 million that must be a high-end casino
     
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  3. twodicebilly, Feb 20, 2019

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    TDV

    Who in the hell would apply a chi squared test to a set of data which was not put together
    to show influence but basic difference......I added the probability data because a guy I know
    wanted to complete some charts …..

    TDV after all this time, you still dont understand my approach to this. I DONT BELIEVE IN
    DICE CONTROL>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ever

    If you have thrown long enough, I feel your shot will provide some tendencies and many times
    if you match your set to what your throw is doing you can benefit.

    You cant possibly think I care what your expert thinks when he is calculating something
    for which is was not intended.

    Now if you guys dont feel my approach is worthwhile....their are greater tragedies in
    the world...

    get over it.

    TDB
     
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  4. James Hall, Feb 20, 2019

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    I vote number 2 also
     
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  5. James Hall, Feb 20, 2019

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    Put me down in the , GIVES a SHIT COLUMN.
     
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  6. James Hall, Feb 20, 2019

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    That IS what makes it work.
     
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  7. James Hall, Feb 20, 2019

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    He get's a bit cranky when people discuss the possibility of winning.
     
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  8. James Hall, Feb 20, 2019

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    ;)
     
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  9. James Hall, Feb 20, 2019

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    Is he someone else too??
     
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  10. twodicebilly, Feb 20, 2019

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    JAMES

    It is staggering is it not.....I have a chart on door to measure my kids
    growth so one day I go get my neighbors kid who is taller and indicate
    wow my kid is really growing.....I used the same chart.!!!!!!!

    I have no idea how these guys get through the day. if a couple of these
    guys lived here in Wisconsin, they would go get the garden rake to move the
    snow....I swear !!!!

    Good thing they got old guys like us to mentor them.


    TDB
     
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  11. TDVegas, Feb 20, 2019

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    You put the numbers up to show difference AFTER you already had and knew there was a difference. This had nothing to do with "this set will get you this"....and "that set will get you that".....because if it was predictable and replicable---you could just pick the one set and NOW bet the results you are GOING to get....which you apparently already know. Then, go make money.

    No...you aren't doing that because you cannot be sure it's predictable or replicable. Nor will you bet more than $5 on it.

    Need I say more?
    As long as I understand that the means and methods you use to determine influence are the "Twodicebilly methods"....and not tried and true mathematical methods such as chi squared or any of the other test methods based on actual math...then we are good.
    Yeah...I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the #1 reason you cannot make a living at craps is NOT "lack of discipline".

    The #1 reason for saying you could not make a living playing craps is simply that you can't do it....discipline or not.
     
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  12. Bases loaded, Feb 20, 2019

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    Von,

    You didn't answer the question....

    Is craps beatable?

    Bl
     
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  13. James Hall, Feb 20, 2019

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    If you can win one or many you can learn to be consistent.
    That doesn't mean NO.
    Still with the anecdotal stories dodge.
    I know several who do.
    I KNOW THEM VERY WELL.
     
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  14. James Hall, Feb 20, 2019

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    I have one friend who has been , from several.
    The problem with the question you have asked is the fact
    that you have people answering who are responding
    from a position based on OPINION.
    Dome will answer from a position of playing and remaining
    net positive.
    People who find it impossible to play and remain net positive
    generally have spent NO TIME in an effort to learn to win.
    Then there are others who have spent some time trying to learn
    but not nearly enough.
    Getting to a point where you can count on winning requires
    a tremendous investment of ,
    TIME EFFORT & ENERGY , a lot more than more than most people
    are willing to invest. They start out but quit and in the case of many here
    they fail at the attempt and swear up and down it's impossible.
    A lot of the people who say winning at craps is not possible say that
    simply because they have not really done the work to learn.
    Ask the question ,
    "What have YOU done to improve your opportunity to win at craps"?
    Most have done little or nothing.
     
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  15. von duck, Feb 20, 2019

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    So far it's unanimous. :D
    It is NOT, for me. But, there might be a guy or two that can do something with it. If you just want to "beat" them, you can accomplish THAT, by not playing, works every time. I can't tell you how to win, and probably wouldn't if I could. :) Or, maybe I'm just lying. :D
     
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  16. lone irish digit, Feb 20, 2019

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    This is Barney

    Dan Mahoney is a professional player of the craps although he is currently looking for a bankroll. Also. I thought Mr Halls friend the Quark personage was pro player of the crap...
     
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  17. von duck, Feb 20, 2019

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    As far as who gives a shit, YOU DO. Hence your reply. It wouldn't have to be a long line, would only take ONE guy, to make craps beatable. Perhaps it is NOT a question of if craps is beatable, but rather for how LONG, is is beatable. .? Have we decided what the definition of "beatable" is. I think we would have to start there.
    Which were you? 1 or 2? :) Just for the record. :cool:
     
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  18. Bases loaded, Feb 20, 2019

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    Randies have a nagging suspicion that craps is not beatable.

    But admitting that would effect sleeping through the night.

    So, let's just say - 'the jury is still out'.
     
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  19. TDVegas, Feb 20, 2019

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    Yes, they are all living in the bowels of southern Arizona with not a live craps table within 250-300 miles. Almost as far away as von duck in the bowels of West Virginia. The difference? He merely travels to watch bubble results...frowns, then drives the 4 hours back home. Your guys might actually play once every blue moon, lose and drive the 4 hours back home.
    Yes...land for sale. South Florida. Everglades area.

    Contact: Stuart Scam-arucci.
     
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  20. von duck, Feb 20, 2019

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    Nice try with WV. But I'm not going to tell you whether or not you were right. Or, maybe I will, and just lie about it. Or, maybe I will tell the truth, and let you think I'm lying. Decisions, decisions. :) As far as the bubble, it's either believe what my senses tell me, or believe what TD tells me. Decisions, decisions. :D
     
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