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Discussion in 'Advanced Craps' started by gargoil, Jul 3, 2017.
OK. No problem. Interesting play.
Very astute observation ma'am, but I think the answer will be pretty obvious.
In what situation does the play on odds, "make money", and cannot be bet better than this. This does not qualify as "complicated " it qualifies as inane.
Please explain the "interesting" part, Ms Pee.
Well I thought of playing the do / don't with odds was kind of weird. Why not just place 30 on the 6 / 8 for one hit then down. But then I remembered I was in Tunica where the ratings are different than Vegas. I believe in Tunica you get rated on total money in play (may be wrong so if someone knows more please keep me honest here). Also the ratings on slots and other games is much more than Vegas. So that may be a reason for his odds behind his contract bets.
Again, I am not a fan of any do / don't play. Either play one or the other.
How is anybody keeping track of exactly what he's betting on what.
I don't know exactly how they determine comps on the craps table....I can tell you, using your player card on bubble craps is almost useless. The points awarded are next to nothing. They know people can "game" it for points and they put a stop to that a while ago.
I was told that time played can also be a consideration on bubble craps...which is why I put my card in. Otherwise, I doubt I would waste my time getting 30-40 points per session.
I will tell you, Station Casino....for a low roller like me, is fairly generous. This month alone I have already received $50 in food comps.
For comp purposes, I've seen players bet $30 PL, $30 DP, and $1 on the 12. Once a point is established, Place the 6 & 8 for $12 each so they have $85 in action, but only $25 really at risk. Could also place other numbers, depending upon what the point is. Some casinos consider a PL & DP bet by the same player in the same amount as a wash and won't consider those bets at risk, even though they're always at risk, just on different numbers.
Kind of like those players at a $25 EZ Baccarat table (no 5% commission on banker win) who bet $105 on Banker and $100 on Player. Sometimes it is 2 players working as a team, each making only 1 of the bets. If the team players made their respective bets at the same commission-free baccarat table for equal amounts, they could basically play for comps risk free. Otherwise, the $105 Banker / $100 Player betting effectively turns the EZ Baccarat table into a $5 game. For that reason, some casinos don't allow a simultaneous Banker/Player bet, even at tables where 5% commission is charged on winning banker bets. As long as comps are offered, someone will try and take full advantage of / game the system.
This EZ Bach, if there is NO 5% commission, and you are playing for comps, why not table max player/banker bets, 0 risk? How does the table win, with no commission?
First, not all casinos permit both a Player and Banker Bet by the same player on the same hand. Even if the casino allows such betting, most players on the EZ Baccarat table are swinging for the home run -- the Panda 8 / Dragon 7 Bonus Bet, in addition to a Player or Banker bet. The overwhelming majority of EZ Baccarat players are not solely playing for comps. Plenty of money available to be made by the casino.
Most players don't bet table max at Baccarat (typically higher than craps table max) right off the bat, not even close. At Rivers Casino, the baccarat table max (non high limit room) is $100K. Betting $100K would draw serious scrutiny and if 2 players at the same table wagered that amount -- 1 bet on Banker, the other on Player -- casino personnel would figure out they were being gamed. Alas, Rivers Casino doesn't have EZ Baccarat, nor does it allow the same player to bet both Player & Banker at the same table on the same hand.
Why would the player NOT, just take the banker bet? With no commission this bet should win, in the long run. There would have to be a catch, or the house would not offer this bet, it wouldn't make sense.
Of course there is. A Bank win with a 3 card total of 7 is a push.
Well, now that's different. You should include these "minor details" in the original post, so as not to confuse FredP, you know how SHE gets when there is a misunderstanding.
Oops! I am so DAMNED sorry, I meant to say HER. Plug this "variable" in, and just see how much sense it makes. Occum's Razor!
If you want to win at Bacarrat its completely easy to do. Just go to Rivers in Chicago and bet opposite of Random roller. LOL
That might just work. BTW, what duck rock have you been hiding under?
Doesn't matter, good to have you back. Let me know next time you come up this way. ATS is now at Rivers.
ill probably be in the southeast us mostly for a good while it looks like. I liked the horseshoe up there I believe is what it is. The other casino I went to up there didn't care for it at all. I never seen dice bounce off the table so much anywhere. Then dealers would get all bitchy when they went off the table. When you have a super bouncy table and like 16 ft I believe you are gonna get that a lot. They act like players are trying to throw them off the table. The worst dealers at a casino I have ever witnessed.
Last time you were up here you mentioned going to Ameristar first and then Horseshoe. Unfortunately, I was working on a big deal I and couldn't meet you there. Ameristar East Chicago tables are bouncy. I play at Horseshoe a bit. It's a decent setup -- too bad smoking is allowed on most of the casino floor. Previous time we played at Rivers Casino by O'Hare.