INTELLIGENT PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT

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  1. eagleeye2, Jan 4, 2017

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    $...eE..$,

    Yes, all Posted by alias the ""MadProfessor"", World Famous for Embellishment of all things Related to Casino Craps!

    Yes, there are some folks on this thread that still Believe in Santa Clause & the Tooth Ferry, DUH!

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  2. hartzehn22, Jan 4, 2017

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    Thanks for posting eagleeye - I enjoyed it!
     
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    :)
     
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    All bets are off in the natural world:

     
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  5. eagleeye2, Jan 5, 2017

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    hartzehn22,

    Great additions to my original Post!

    Even the Nay-Sayers will have trouble denying what's Posted Above.

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    I don't care about the pass line bet , the only time it is relevant to me is if I place ATS or the FIRE BET My concern is to throw a lot of numbers
    and press and parlay the hell out of them.
     
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  7. eagleeye2, Jan 5, 2017

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    $...eE..$,
    Are you CLAIMING that the alias the ""MadProfessor"", ~ Was NOT ~ World Famous for Embellishment of all things Related to Casino Craps?

    Sure sounds like that!

    Your Flat World claim is misfounded!

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    congrats liman... I see a nice benny party there :cool:
     
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    Liman doesn't piss around. He knows how to get out multiple big bets as he is winning, and he keeps on with the pressing things up until the loser finally does wipe his bets off the table.
     
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  10. eagleeye2, Jan 6, 2017

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    All of the BICKERING about ~ PRACTICE ~ can be resolved with the following:

    1) Keep your GOAL in Sight...

    2) That GOAL in CRAPS, is to BEAT the Casino, using the Casino's rules.

    3) To do this requires a technique, in throwing the DICE & or a Betting technique; that one can prove works, to accomplish that GOAL!

    4) With either or both of the above, the following are required:

    ...A) PRACTICE, Yes Practice ~ This practice can be in a Casino, or on ones Practice Table.

    ...B) Of course, the ultimate GOAL of BEATING the Casino, must be Verified on the Casino Floor!

    ...C) However, prior to investing $$$ on the Casino Floor, one should develop a throwing technique, (that is unless you wish to rely on others throws (not recommended) & your betting technique.

    ...D) Practice your throw, charting those throws against the Theoretical Statistical Distribution of Two Fair Dice. This can be accomplished with one of the available (for a fee) charting programs, or one can set it up in a spreadsheet, like Excel; but nothing beats your ability to VISUALIZE your expertise @ CRAPS, Vs the Theoretical Statistical Distribution of your DICE Throws.

    ...E) If you CAN consistently BEAT the Theoretical Statistical Distribution, with your throw & betting strategy, you should move onto the Casino Floor to verify your abilities under Casino conditions.

    ...F) Assuming you cannot BEAT the Theoretical Statistical Distribution, you need more PRACTICE! You may need to modify your Dice Set, Throwing Technique, & or Betting Strategy. You need to do so, then re-evaluate, practicing until you can reach your GOAL, then & only then can you return to the Casino & anticipate to WIN there!

    ...G) Recall that no one here, said it was EASY, with some here saying it is impossible!
    Good Luck at your efforts.

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    my life is a lot easier than all you di guys, and all the recording dice outcome people.
    I only worry about the money I have on the table and in my rack.
    I don't care what came out the roll before, and only wish for one of my numbers on the next roll. Cant change history, no reason to fret over the last roll, and ofcourse, my view is one can never predict the next roll, or even slightly influence a number on demand, makes the game easy, simple easy peasy. same 2 boring bets, now and then I like to live the vida loco and toss 10 bucks on a hard 6. .
     
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  14. tabletop123, Jan 6, 2017

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    Certainly nothing wrong with your approach, or your opinion on Dice Influencing! Admittedly so, Dice Influencing is Marginal, fleeting, & very hard to be good at ( outcome of the toss).

    A lot of these guys seem to confuse an expert looking toss with influence! (favorable results) Let's take Demango's statement as an example! Demango stated that the "trick:, or key to success is to toss both dice as A unit!

    As if the two dice are actually one! Supposedly, THAT is how you gain influence! Tell you what, I won't get into a heated argument, but do this.......take only one die, & toss it with the 1&6 devoid of the tossing plane( on the outside)!

    Toss that ONE die 72 times, & record how many times you can avoid a 1 or 6 from showing! It is totally laughable the influence that you will NOT have with only ONE die!

    Now, remember......you are attempting to do the same thing with TWO dice! My position is NOT to tarnish Dice Influencing, because I attempt to influence the Dice EVERY time that I play!

    No question about it! However, my only plight is to expose Dice Influencing for what it REALLY is, so that those that are interested, or "On the fence" can make a intelligent decision based upon those that have studied this craft before them!

    Passing the Torch......sort of speak! Only problem is that once that torch is passed along........If you are not VERY careful, you just might suffer second degree burns.......or worse!
     
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  15. gargoil, Jan 6, 2017

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    The act of dice influencing is not about keeping the dice on axis. Take it for what it is worth. If you want to know more ask a DI.
    I just know because I stayed at a Holiday Inn express one time.
     
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    Maybe it's just my throw, but interesting things happen when you measure the results of inside faces vs outside faces. Just know that that throwing one die will never give you the answer, and throwing two will cause different results, if, if the dice are next together on impact.
     
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    Isn't that what Heavy teaches? An on axis toss? Axis Power Craps?
     
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    I lean a bit towards tabletops view on all of this.
    it doesn't matter how pretty one's shot is, all that matter is if you win or lose in the end. nothing else means squat.
     
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    the wait and see attitude is pretty prevalent in most people dealing with most things ,
    it's the old what will be will be thing
    It doesn't matter what you do what ever is going to happen is going to happen
    I played basketball in high school with a kid that was one of the best free throwers in the country
    somebody commented one day on how lucky he had been all through high school
    It pretty much pissed him off
    he explained that his dad was a janitor at the school and he would let Mickey into the gym
    almost everyday summer and winter and Mickey would practice shooting
    but mostly free throws
    he could nail them with his eyes closed
    It would be interesting to know how many he shot over the years
     
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    All of the BICKERING about ~ DI & PRACTICE ~ can be resolved with the following:

    1) Keep your GOAL in Sight...

    2) That GOAL in CRAPS, is to BEAT the Casino, using the Casino's rules.

    3) To do this requires a technique, in throwing the DICE & or a Betting technique; that one can prove works, to accomplish that GOAL!

    4) With either or both of the above, the following are required:

    ...A) PRACTICE, Yes Practice ~ This practice can be in a Casino, or on ones Practice Table.

    ...B) Of course, the ultimate GOAL of BEATING the Casino, must be Verified on the Casino Floor!

    ...C) However, prior to investing $$$ on the Casino Floor, one should develop a throwing technique, (that is unless you wish to rely on others throws (not recommended) & your betting technique.

    ...D) Practice your throw, charting those throws against the Theoretical Statistical Distribution of Two Fair Dice. This can be accomplished with one of the available (for a fee) charting programs, or one can set it up in a spreadsheet, like Excel; but nothing beats your ability to VISUALIZE your expertise @ CRAPS, Vs the Theoretical Statistical Distribution of your DICE Throws.

    ...E) If you CAN consistently BEAT the Theoretical Statistical Distribution, with your throw & betting strategy, you should move onto the Casino Floor to verify your abilities under Casino conditions.

    ...F) Assuming you cannot BEAT the Theoretical Statistical Distribution, you need more PRACTICE! You may need to modify your Dice Set, Throwing Technique, & or Betting Strategy. You need to do so, then re-evaluate, practicing until you can reach your GOAL, then & only then can you return to the Casino & anticipate to WIN there!

    ...G) Recall that no one here, said it was EASY, with some here saying it is impossible!

    Good Luck at your efforts.

    eagleeye2
     
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