# Ignorance is bliss

Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by superrick, Nov 21, 2016.

1. Onautopilot, Nov 25, 2016

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If any event has useable information, then intuition can play a role in decision making. A bias in the dice, either inherent or introduced would fall under that category. As would decisions in the game of poker, or playing BJ.

All of those events contain useful, or potentially useful information.

Pure random chance provides no useful information concerning future events. That is the definition of random chance.

I will concede that there is no perfect random number generator, and that "pure" random does not exist in most random chance games......but most imperfections are undetectable by an observer. So for all practical purposes, they do their job more than adequately.....just ask the casinos.

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2. James Hall, Nov 25, 2016

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are you talking about the due theory ?

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3. Onautopilot, Nov 25, 2016

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Damn, where is BS777 when you need him?

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4. Bases loaded, Nov 25, 2016

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Is that what it's called? I don't want to speak for LIman, cause the machine I play doesn't display the count since each of the Hard Ways last occurred. I think if he sees the count up to 150 he loads up the bet.

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5. Onautopilot, Nov 25, 2016

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Sometimes the "due theory" works...sometimes it doesn't!

When I was working at Harold's Club in Reno, a couple guys watched the roulette wheel for months. They were waiting for a long string of red or black to show. Finally black showed 16 times in a row (I think that was the number). Then they jumped in and bet a huge amount, as I remember it was \$20,000 on red, back then, that was a small fortune.

Yep, you guessed it......black 17 times in a row.

But heck, they had almost a 50/50 shot at winning the bet.

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6. Bases loaded, Nov 25, 2016

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In Waylon Jennings' song "Trouble Man" he says: 'I was so ugly the doctor slapped my mother when I was born' - Classic.

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I think we've had the discussion before; if they had an electronic read out at the craps tables of the numbers and combinations that have occurred, similar to the Organic bubble game, they would get additional action. Only problem is someone would have to key the outcomes in somewhere.

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8. James Hall, Nov 25, 2016

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yeah that sounds like the due theory or something similar , fact is if it has not come up in 150 rolls one thing is certain , it will appear sooner or later

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9. Onautopilot, Nov 25, 2016

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There was a casino in Reno that did that for craps...the box man keyed it in. I watched the game for a while and there were some players intently watching the tote board, and betting accordingly. I got bored and left, not sure how they faired.

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10. Onautopilot, Nov 25, 2016

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That would also make it a whole lot easier for the bias dice crew, they wouldn't need a pencil and paper.

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11. Onautopilot, Nov 25, 2016

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There was a comedian that originally coined that phrase, his name slips my mind at the moment....as do many things lately.

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12. Bases loaded, Nov 25, 2016

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I never had any idea how the number of rolls in the hands ebbed and flowed until I started playing the electronic versions of the game. To see that the double digit hands came at certain intervals, and the monsters were in there somewhere, actually gave me the conviction to stay with my betting strategy and the numbers eventually matched my bets. Enough to keep me coming back.

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13. Onautopilot, Nov 25, 2016

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And that is the story of almost all dedicated craps players.....win enough to keep me coming back.

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14. \$nakeEye\$, Nov 25, 2016

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Sounds like a Rodney Dangerfield style joke -

" I get NO respect " !

\$...eE..\$

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15. superrick, Nov 26, 2016

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There is no coin flip in today's craps game but most will never realize that. They go the tables with their eyes shut!

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17. Onautopilot, Nov 26, 2016

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Hartzehn22 wrote:
IMO- good or seasoned roulette dealers can deliver that ball in a specific section of the wheel time and time again. Not all dealers can influence with a high degree of accuracy but there are some that can place the ball in a specific number within 2 or 3 tries. Tracking is helpful in both roulette and craps but it depends on whose using the information and how it is used.

Yep, for every game in the casino, there is always a group that is looking for some kind of edge.

The roulette trackers. the card counters, the bias / DI crowd on dice, flawed card readers, slot "timers", and a million different system players.

Ain't life fun!

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18. Craps Poopshoot, Nov 30, 2016

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There are 11,000 Lyft and Uber drivers in Las Vegas! The population in Las Vegas is two million and growing, and the visitor population is 150K a day. Every 5 minutes a jet lands with hundreds of visitors. Given the cutthroat rates for Uber and Lyft, drivers are actually quite busy - though the cut throat rates make it hard to make a living. Driver are protesting and marching against the low rates.

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19. wonko33, Nov 30, 2016

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Tune in next week for a new episode of the soap "as the dice roll.... on axis" .

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