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  1. James Hall, Jun 26, 2016

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    Oh Well if TDV believes it what more do I need
     
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    mr hall, you sound a bit deluded, not meaning to offend you.

    focusing on how much they could win.

    lovely statement, wouldn't it even be grander if it was true.

    if people only had to focus on their winning, they would be in a casino daily focusing on how to hide their winnings from the IRS.
     
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  3. James Hall, Jun 26, 2016

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    It amazing that people who follow the game know so little about what goes on in the casinos
    there is a group of guys living in Vegas who go to the casinos almost everyday to play normally weekdays in early out within a couple of hours
    they make a living , I know these guys I get on the tables with them often when I am in town
    They rarely lose year end money up by a bunch
     
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  4. James Hall, Jun 26, 2016

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    the point I was trying to make is some people who normally lose , do so because their betting strategy is geared to losing less
    when the big roll comes up they are stifled by the fear of overextending

    the players on the other side of that equation are focusing on what needs to occur so whaen the big roll comes
    they are all over it the are aggressive when it comes

    in other words there are two ways to play 1) play to lose less
    2) play to win
     
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  5. James Hall, Jun 26, 2016

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    Focus on how to win you'll do better
     
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  6. tabletop123, Jun 26, 2016

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    I will say this: It doesn't matter how skilled a person THINKS they are......... if you are betting "Across", "Inside", etc, you are DESTINED to get your nuts clipped! Starting a hand with MORE than two bets is a SURE FIRE date with death! Doesn't matter HOW WARMED UP you thinkl you are.......... EVERY hand you toss is as if YOU HAVE JUST BEGUN your session. Start small EVERY hand & TRY to build up to more numbers & bigger bets! Darn shame that it took me 8 years to learn this very elementary way of betting!
     
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  7. James Hall, Jun 26, 2016

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    with our betting strategies we begin conservatively then build to very aggressive with house money
     
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  8. KokomoJoe4, Jun 26, 2016

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    For the 8,436th time, I played craps for many years in a manner much like the typical player, possibly a little more conservatively. That is, a line bet with odds and several place bets, but not all-across. Like most, had some winning sessions but a lot more losers. Even when I nixed the line bet and went out only on place bets, I found that I was unable to overcome the need for multiple hits before losing everything on the table to the seven.

    I tried a lot of different types of plays. The best luck I had was with Lay bets. It doesn't take a genius to see that you will win more wagers than you lose when you are ALWAYS favorite over the house. I found this to be true. However, when you factor in the vig, your 1:2, 2:3 and 5:6 winners have a way of not adding up to much, and when the 4's and 10's start coming out, you are digging a pretty big hole to crawl out of.

    Because you can win more playing Do, I have gone to pretty much one line bet at a time, where you lose only one bet with a loss. I will parlay every come out winner, and lay off of the odds in that situation. If and when ahead, I will get out as large of a wager as I am ahead. This is the critical point. Parlay the come out winner if it happens, put out enough odds so that line bet + odds equals the hundred or so dollars I am ahead.

    A loser takes me back to minimum bet play, but a winner has me risking a large part of but not all of the winnings. Hit several winners in a row, and a small buy-in turns into several thousand dollars. Haven't had a real nice winner in a long time now, but the method of play has me ahead over a twelve year period. Losers are always fairly small. I don't play with more than $300 at a time, and typically pack things in before turning in more than $150-200 of it. On occasion, hundreds turn into thousands.

    No witchcraft involved. No shooting skills involved. Luck and variance, two things beyond my control.
     
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  9. Onautopilot, Jun 26, 2016

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    You are still attributing your success at craps to being a very skilled DI, right?
     
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  10. KokomoJoe4, Jun 26, 2016

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    And this is EXACTLY what I have found works best with the lowest risk, highest paying bet, ONE pass or come with maximum odds.
     
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  11. James Hall, Jun 26, 2016

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    Not to get personal , over the years how far ahead would you say you are??
     
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  12. Twelve4s, Jun 26, 2016

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    I can't believe it! Harley finally said something that makes sense, at least a little sense. Congratulations!
     
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  13. James Hall, Jun 26, 2016

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    OAP
    I am going to word this very carefully because you and TD attempt to mischaracterize what people say
    The answer to that question would depend on what your definition of DI is
     
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  14. Onautopilot, Jun 26, 2016

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    DI (Dice Influence)......having the ability to influence the rolls of the dice, so as to change random expectation to a player positive advantage. Rolling more or less of specific numbers than random expectation would indicate.
     
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  15. TDVegas, Jun 26, 2016

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    Talk about biting the hand that took the time and energy and computer competence to build the forum and get it up and running for everyone.

    No wonder you get taken to the woodshed so many times, Harley.

    And the thing is Jacob is right....it does likely play out just like the tables. How would you even know otherwise?..since all casino employees are rats.

    AND, you don't even play bubble craps.
     
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  16. HornHiYo, Jun 26, 2016

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    Awe come on TDVegas. Knock off with wins at the bubble craps or next thing we will see is endless posts by the Know It Alls bragging about big wins, how to read biased dice under the bubble, how to find empty tables and avoid people that just randomly push the button. Palm slapping is better than knuckle wrapping but don't ever play like those bozos on the other board that just use their fingers to push down. There's no way dice can stay on axis because of that quick finger press. Be patient while I post a few hundred videos so you can see it in action. Trust me not one die stays on axis. Those bright enough to see it are welcome to join the ACCJ next month. But there will be a vetting process!
     
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  17. James Hall, Jun 26, 2016

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    The reason you cannot come to a meeting of minds with some people who profess what you refer to as DI is because you try to think in terms of what you just said
    "ROLLING SPECIFIC NUMBERS" You know that no one makes the claim they can roll specific numbers either you know that and you are purposely mischaracterizing thyeir statement or you don't know and in that case let me help you better understand
    What I practice is what I call a controlled throw what that means is that I will grip the dice in a certain way ,
    I will throw them on a particular arc to the end of the table with a very slow velocity
    I want the dice to land very softly just about 3 inches in front of the pyramids where the end of the table is not curved in an area about 4 inches by 4 inches square I try to land the dice very softly so they hit the pyramids very softly just kissing the end of the table hoping they will come to rest within 6 inches from the pyramids and hope the will remain within 8 to 10 inches of each other if and when all this happens I get little or no bouncing and the dice are more to stay on axis
    In reality I am not trying to throw those specific numbers I am introducing an influence onto the dice which will effect the final outcome
    the words that have you so concerned is the word CONTROL ,the term DICE CONTROL I and other people have been playing with variations of this concept for years.
    When we perform these functions correctly our goal is simply an effort to avoid the seven.
    one of our guys on a roll one day in Vegas finished a roll of 79 rolls pissed off , he had a point of 6 and never hit it
    I am skilled with controlled throws I can control the dice from the time they leave my hand till they hit the end of the table If I do it right I get little bounce and very little roll
    doing this the pyramids have less effect and as a consequence I am able to come away with more rolls ,
    Because I spend a lot of time practicing and writing down every number I throw I can expect a preponderance of certain numbers not because that's what I set for but rather what my roll produces . Those outcomes can vary from table to table
    hell they even vary on my two tabled
    but when in Vegas I see certain numbers coming up I know where to go with my bets
    We here in our group call that betting what the table gives you
    one set I use may net 6s on one table an 9s on another table with the same set
    After many years of doing this I have reached a certain skill level and I am successful
    Like I said in my firs two or three posts to which you took such exception
    let me say again I do quite well
    I tell people all the time
    "THE MORE I PRACTICE THE LUCKIER I GET"

    This is quite lengthy so I will not proof read
    please forgive any mistakes
     
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  18. HornHiYo, Jun 26, 2016

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    Ooh you're so smart and so good! You are.... You are. Those self promoting experts filled ya up with all that winning knowledge that the casinos don't know about and you can repeat it all.
    Go to the head of the class!
     
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  19. KokomoJoe4, Jun 26, 2016

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    I do not practice, but if I did, the more I practiced a random, uncontrollable process, the crazier I would get.
     
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  20. tabletop123, Jun 26, 2016

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    Landing Spots differ from table to table. Three inches in front of the back wall works on some tables! On other tables it can be a bankroll depleting Bitch! You must FiND a FAVORABLE "Sweet Spot" on every table BEFORE your betting begins! I usually test SEVERAL spots BEFORE i will even take odds on the point!
     
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