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Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by Stuart Brandt, Apr 27, 2018.
You play baccarat well? Which of the three bets, do you play the best?
I play the winning bets and whatever is running Player and Banker are the only two choices the other bets are sucker bets.
Sure you can make a few bucks if you win the Dragon or Panda or Tie but it is not a wise bet.
You can have strong side, chops, streak, opposite, etc.
Player or Banker can be double the wins more than the other side in some Baccarat Shoes, but I focus more on craps at this time because I have a craps practice table at the house I have done over 1000 rolls testing ECD methods with good results I used to Dice Set but now prefer to toss randomly just chucking them down the table and only play Pass and Don't Pass at this time.
I play Baccarat on Betphoenix a lot and win but man it is boring also if you win more then 200 bucks a week Betphoenix will most likely delete my account.
Oh, Harrahs Cherokee is my nearest casino and it is a 4-hour drive.
Here is Ellis Davis Bio to check out guys.
Was born Ellis Clifton Davis in Charleston, SC. Raised in upstate NY.
Degreed in Architecture, Engineering and Business with a clinically tested 160 IQ.
Left a very successful Math Professorship at SUNY to play Bac and BJ full time.
Started a $28,000 scholarship program at SUNY.
Pirated by Corporation after Corporation for proficiency in Systems Design. Went from the drafting board at
GE to 30 Rock. Was Consultant for the baggage handling system at Ohare.
Was Math Professor at SUNY specializing in Calculus which among other things is The Mathematics of Odds.
Wrote NBJ (New Blackjack) in mid '80s - considered the BJ Bible - sold a greater sales dollar volume than all other gaming books combined. Also wrote Zero Proximity BJ, WCB (World Class BJ), NBJ First Base BJ and NBJ Team Play BJ. Also authored the first ever and eleven other Baccarat books. The infamous Kenny Uston said: “Ellis’ 0 Prox is the very best way the game can be played.
Began full time Bac and BJ play in 1991. Was the most notorious player in Atlantic City that decade. Was assigned a casino consortium of a dozen "clip board bluecoats" who followed him everywhere for months recording every play whether BJ or Baccarat. Was barred from every casino in AC and eventually most in Las Vegas. Played the Indian casinos in MN, CT and NY. Also played the Gulf Coast, The Bahamas, The Canary Islands and Tunica, MS
Playing Baccarat in Tunica full time - went 8 years W/O a losing day.
Trained eight highly successful 5 man BJ teams for Bahama eight deck. All were barred for life.
Holds several BJ and Baccarat performance world records:
$10,000 in less than a half hour W/O betting over $200. He did that twice in front of 240 invited spectators both at the Taj, A.C.
Performed hundreds of Baccarat training seminars complete with live casino exhibitions.
Was high money winner in the World Champion of Baccarat.
When challenged on line he produced a 26% avg Player Advantage for 6 shoes at two casinos in A.C. while his challenger watched - a world record, by far, for 6 shoes.
Began teaching BJ and Baccarat full time in 2001 through seminars and his teaching site On Line.
While highly proficient at it Davis never used Card Counting. Like Don Johnson, he discovered
"There is a far better way to play this game!"
Recently performed a Baccarat Table Take Down at Flamingo, Vegas. (Ran the dealer out of chips in two shoes.) They had to close the table.
Developed the SAP Count, Now used world wide by successful Baccarat Players and considered by Davis and his competitors alike as the single greatest winning breakthrough in the history of Baccarat. He now teaches SAP counting as the best System Selector for Baccarat ever created.
Developed the 5 NOR Systems which together with ANB beat today’s Baccarat consistently.
Recently started his own Baccarat Teaching Forum called ECD.
“I’ll teach you Everything I know, and I know a LOT!”
Thank you for the Bio, "ELLIS". Incidentally I went 25 years+ without a losing blackjack session, then I went to Vegas. I'm gonna go out and buy all of your, I mean HIS books immediately. 26% advantage at BJ, wow, that's some system, how much are you selling it for?
He is not selling any systems he has a website and membership.
I guess your being funny but just in case here you go.
That was in Baccarat not in BlackJack the 26 percent and he really is that good.
But you I am sure don't believe a word????
This is Barney,
The Mr Ellis is most greatest of personages but on this forum of the craps we have other personages with more better qualifications:
Checking out the IQs on the LIDs supper computer reveals most amazing results for some forum personages
1. Barney G at 107.5 years old and been in clinic many times with IQ near 60.
2. The TDV IQ at almost 100
3. BS 777 with the brain as enormous as the Trump
4. Von Ducky with IQ approaching 105
5. Linaway, LID, Planck, and the OAP all certifiable with the IQ between 180 to 190.
6. Liman IQ almost as large as his most impressive unit.
7. The James Hall IQ greater than 220.
Thank you very much
Nobody has a 26% advantage at baccarat. Now, you may have hot streaks, and show this advantage for a shoe or two, but long term 26%, there would be no way. One can use system play, to reduce the overall effect of cumulative odds, and if applied properly you can overcome the house edge, but what you cannot overcome, is deviation, sooner or later you're gonna catch that, "MUTHA-F'KER". Everybody here, knows what I'm talkin about. Though I didn't coin the term, it is the most appropriate, I have ever heard for this phenomenon.
I recognize that score keeping. That’s what E. Clfton Davis Marketed as Mr C’s Craps System in the 90s. I know peoples that swallowed it hook line and sinker and lost the farm betting on it. But it is as good as any system out there. Be careful. Heed DeMangos advice and run. That high IQ you boast of will fleece you long before you realize it. Actually, it sounds like he already has. Good luck!
Nope don't think Ellis ever sold a craps system, in fact, he does not even want to get involved in craps at all that was my idea...........................now it may have been a student who sold a system but not Ellis.
He could care less about craps.
You understand the way I laid out the results, that's just the way a Baccarat scorecard is laid out I just put a P for pass and D for don't pass.
Nope, I just asked Ellis he has NEVER EVER MARKETED A CRAPS SYSTEM EVER.
NEVER EVER EVER.
Here is some info on the factory pre-shuffled cards.
So early Tuesday morning I did what I should have done in the first place – I asked the pit boss.
“Yes sir, we recently changed to all factory preshuffled cards.”
If you don’t know yet, you soon will:
So called “factory preshuffled cards” are actually not shuffled at all. They originally come to the table in a sealed and numbered bundle of 8 decks arranged in known casino favorable card orders. You are playing fixed cards! Sure, maybe they went into a shuffle machine. Ha, but casinos are not going to upset the card orders they paid for.
These cards were not only fixed – they were very obviously fixed specifically to beat NOR Baccarat!
Now don’t get me wrong. Factory cards don’t always beat NOR. Caesars, Vegas is 100% factory cards and I have recently soundly beaten them with NOR.
Net betting does very well with these preshuffled cards.
If you asked a dishonest man if he was lying, I don't think he would admit that he was.
Call gaming control, cite your evidence.
This is as bad as "the casino inserts bias dice to give favorable casino results".
He’s blowing smoke. He marketed systems for Bacarrah, Roulette, Blackjack and Mr. C’s Craps.
How are you accounting for comeout roll 7's, 3's, 2's, and 11's?
Hmmm my copy is from 1992 and I know several players that tried it in 1992. Were you the only guy using his stuff for craps prior to 1992?
If we have a seven or eleven its a win on the come out roll if we are playing the pass.
If we have a two, three or twelve and I am playing the Don't Pass its a win, I count twelve as a win also I know its a Push but I count it as a win that's just how I play it guys.
I again asked Ellis if he sold anything regarding craps and he said no.
NOW ELLIS is 78 years old and HAS HAD A STROKE THEN A HEART ATTACK AND A FEW MONTHS AGO HE GOT CDIFF, so I did ask him and who knows but his methods do work for me when I play craps or Baccarat in fact he has been on the phone with me for a couple of sessions on Betphoenix playing real money on baccarat and he told me what and how to play and I told him the exact results and was shocked at how good he was at Baccarat.
He had his little scorecard and told me what to play by the results the table offered.
Guys I will always give a person a way to save face, it just turns out better that way most times.
HORNHIYO I reached out to him a month ago about Baccarat so I only know him for about a month in all but I was very heavy in CRAPS and dice setting but figured out after about 5000 dice rolls that I set that dice on and tossed myself on my practice craps table that DICE CONTROL IS BS,,,,,,you may be able to toss more field rolls but you cant stop the SEVEN and its coming.
Also all the recorded longest rolls at the casinos are 99 percent random rollers just chuckin them down the table...................thats just my opinion guys dont be offended.
That’s so suave. But not true. He peddled ECD BAC for craps and especially system 2. U.C. for craps.
Ok, I get your point, but why are two of his methods working well on craps???
HORNHIYO here is my cell number and you can give me a call 14342515007 I would love to get your input on some craps ideas.
I am in the state of Virginia not far from Martinsville.
Do you know anything about or have you played Shoot To Win Craps Game??
Use PM, not bright to post personal info