How to get rid the " Double Pitch"

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  1. Dave G Ct, Mar 24, 2018

    Dave G Ct

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    Yes the bane of the Hard way dice set DI. It can be a problem for the 3-V or 2- V dice sets also even if there is only one combination on them.

    In practice and at times in live play I would get the 5-2. Especially in practice where I may go 5 out of 6 hands ending in the DP. MP usually said it was uneven finger pressure or uneven finger placement.In my case probably was the finger pressure unevenness which is very difficult to judge.With my UH I usually felt myself putting more spin on the dice during my release - also had the dice tilted which made launching easier and probable added rotations.
    I have been practicing with the dice flat during the prelaunch- and just using a very low trajectory without added spin.It definently cut down on the DP. Looking forward to live play.Stay tuned!
     
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  2. Freddyy, Mar 24, 2018

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    I find throwing light and squared is the easiest way not to double pitch, but it still happens sometimes. That’s why I use a push shot with angle dice. Low spin, light throw.

    What needs to happen is to have your dices brake on the diamonds and die within 1/4 turn. But it’s not easy to do.

    You need to arc it 5-6 inch over the rail. Make sure your landing spot is going to land the dices square to a spike diamond, with dices very tight together, very close to the diamonds 2-3 inches away. That’s for a light throw.

    Or Next is the rythm throw. You need to crash the dice so they come back rolling strait Toghether and stop within 1 1/2 feet.
     
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  3. Dave G Ct, Mar 24, 2018

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    Great answer. Yes I use the lower BW lip to break them and look for a low side by side rebound 1-4" away. Will try the push.
    Thx
     
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  4. lone irish digit, Mar 24, 2018

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    This is Barney,

    When I get the double itch at casino the penicillin usually resolves the burning issues..


    Thank you very much
     
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  5. Dave G Ct, Mar 24, 2018

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    Had another stellar practice today.Like what I see - just normal hand ending DP' s.
    I have adopted to this throw quite fast.I used it before but had trouble with the dice seam splitting ( no anchor fingers on the side) But I solved that problem .Now it's Let's move forward!
     
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  6. AzDice, Mar 25, 2018

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    Try posting videos of your practice throws. I'm sure you will get some response to help you out
     
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  7. lone irish digit, Mar 25, 2018

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    Dave G Pre-post reply:

    Some responses you bet your ass. Been there, done that, and these SRT bastards mocked me, my shine box, and mattress.
     
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    If that doesn't work, try posting videos of yourself warming up for some practice throws. :cool:Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....................
     
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  9. twodicebilly, Mar 27, 2018

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    dave


    Your dice are always going to do something, double pitch, single pitch, if your
    using a GTC shot or on axis shot, there are only a few things that can happen.

    To me, it does not really matter what it is.... folks tend to want certain out comes
    before they throw and when they get a seven they blame the dice...i suggest
    throw the dice, if you repeat a 7 with double pitch often... fantastic...then change
    your set to take advantage of that.
    Each of us has a quirt in our throw....the trick is to taker advantage of that quirk instead of
    trying to throw the perfect shot

    Dave you can practice for ever and you will never be perfect, because as you get older, each
    and every day you change a little...even if your younger...you cant do it exactly the
    same and then you go to a casino...and things change, maybe your at SR1 but
    the stick guy is standing a foot more to the left so your throwing 1 foot further so the
    dice rotate another 1/4 turn...

    Now mind you the schools suggest every time your in a double pitch mode, take
    another class.. I say no way. if your using a 3/5 3/5 and get and get 2/5 5/2
    adjust the set to 3/5 5/3 As long as your are repeating any seven you can make
    a set adjustment to take advantage of that.

    We are better off to get the idea of dice control out of our minds....and look to see if
    our shot , the quirt that you and i have repeats anything often enough to take
    advantage of, even if that is a seven.

    twodicebilly
     
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  10. Dave G Ct, Mar 27, 2018

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    Thx TDB
     
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  11. AzDice, Mar 27, 2018

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    TDB,
    I know you were replying to a post by Dave.
    I will use your suggestion next time I'm having trouble with my toss.
     
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  12. Mssthis1, Mar 27, 2018

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    A lot of good information in there. You never here anything about the stick person, or your body and/ or the table changing on a daily basis in class. If a stick person of significant girth arrives I color up and leave. Trying to toss around them changes your toss, especially if you have much of a follow through.
     
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  13. tabletop123, Mar 27, 2018

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    Yep..I have always said that your dice have to do SOMETHING more times than not in order to get an edge. That SOMETHING might not be what you want...but it's exploitable as long as it occurs frequently!

    What really tickles me is when your using the Hardways set & one die flips over at an alarming rate ( very exploitable). The schools, gurus tell you that your grip is fu**ked up, & you need to "Fix" it. Lol

    Dont know about you, but if I have a die that flips over at a 80% clip, ...I ain't fixing shit! Gonna bet the farm EVERYTIME that it's my turn to toss the dice.

    Unfortunately, not everyone will have a "Quirk" in their delivery that allows him/her to exploit things.

    If you are delivering the dice with any consistency, you SHOULD see SOMETHING that's exploitable. It might be that fu**ked up Double Pitch problem.

    I would absolutely love to have THAT problem, because I know what set to use. I'll also take that die that flips over with regularity!

    Just give me SOMETHING to work with.........ANYTHING! In regards to the dreaded double pitch.....not interested in making a Dice set adjustment to rid yourself of the double pitch? Okay, just leave things as they are, & go Darkside!

    So many ways to take advantage of a "Glitch" in your toss!
     
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  14. tabletop123, Mar 27, 2018

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    Bottom line is that you're gonna be tossing at an angle if ya get that 300lb Guerilla as a Stick person!
     
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    At Treasure Bay, a casino for break in dealers, this is a common occurrence. Got friends that no longer play that playable table because of dealers girth and or inummerancy.
     
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    ...I used to shoot in the hook when the strait shot wasn’t clear. There’s always a way to manage with more practice. But you need to be two steps up on precision to do it. I did a few 30-50 rolls doing so, that’s where you see if you got real precision, LoL!
     
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  17. Mssthis1, Mar 27, 2018

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    I got lucky and didn't have that happen the two times I was there last trip.

    The stick's who tap the base of the stick on the rail to the beat of the music or the voices in their head are one irritant that I haven't been able to block out and overcome.

    Treasure Bay does have one of the better barfettes I've been to, especially if you like crab legs.
     
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  18. tabletop123, Mar 27, 2018

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    Actually, the "tossing at an angle thingy" is a matter of personal preference. The "Schools", " Gurus tell you that you should toss the dice in a straight line.

    If you're tossing from Stick right 1 & 2, & you are landing your dice in the MIDDLE of the back wall.....UNLESS you are streching out to the middle of the table....you are ALWAYS tossing at an angle.

    Personal Preference!
     
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  19. tabletop123, Mar 27, 2018

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    I've always wondered if the Stick people were trained to disrupt the good rolls by the Stick tapping, baseball Swings, etc. Naw......probably just the player's imagination, huh? (Rolling my eyes)
     
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    That's why I never say anything at the table. It doesn't take a rocket scientist dealer to figure out that things like that bother some players. If you're a hothead at the table you get a target on your back. Some dealers will do it just to get under your skin and get their jollies for the day.
     
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