How many "games" do you carry in your bag of tricks?

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  1. Onautopilot, Mar 23, 2017

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    When I go to the casino, I have some idea of how I want to play that session, and what my strategy and goals are.

    But I don't have just one game, like Midnight use to say, "I take my entire bag of tricks with me.". (by the way, haven't seen him around lately, hope all's o.k. with him.)

    Most of my present "tricks" are centered around very conservative small win goal strategies......but, I also have a few "lotto" type plays I sometimes resort to when the "little voice" in my head indicates it might be fun to try one or two on occasion. I refer to that little voice as my "Avatar". :)

    MY favorite play at this time is a pass line bet and two come bets, no odds, and parlay any win one time. A PSO is a break even, a PPSO is lose one unit, and any parlay win is a winner for the roll. It does get a bit complex, as I also use a negative progression with it. The progression is based on bankroll amount at some given time, and takes some at the table math to keep up with. I have had some moderate success with this lately, and it's my go to play now.

    In the old days, all I wanted to do was end up with the deed to the casino.....that didn't work out too well, but I still enjoy the rush of a potential large win. So I sometimes play a very progressive strategy, usually when I am winning nicely with the conservative one, and want to buy a "lotto" ticket.

    One of those plays is a place 6-8 bet and parlay all hits a minimum of four times. $30 each, and the potential is anywhere from $560+ to a $1,000+. .....it works sometimes, just enough times to make me play it again on rare occasions.

    Another one is to make one pass line bet, and full odds, if it wins, I parlay the whole thing on the next comeout roll, no odds. If that wins, I double the line bet, and take max odds again....parlay the whole win again. With a few winners the chips stack grows at a rapid rate, and is a fun experience. I use to play that a lot more than I do now, but still try it, with a smaller starting amount than past times.

    I do know the cumulative probabilities of each of these "lotto" plays, and know that it is a high risk, very volatile play....but a real adrenalin rush when they hit. And I limit them to occasionally, not my standard play.

    I have a few more in my "bag", but that's another thread. :)

    So, what are some of the different games you carry in your "Bag of Tricks"?
     
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  2. siik2nr, Mar 23, 2017

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    I like to play the Horn bets on the CO. I've won back all my losses plus some during 4+ horn numbers on the CO. Parlay the first hit then press the remaining hits.
     
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  3. TDVegas, Mar 23, 2017

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    Pass...2 come bets. I've been passing on taking odds on the 4-10. Not sure why.

    Sometimes I'll mix a place 6-8.

    I generally like to have 3 numbers in action but sometimes I'll just have 2. I've also had 4 in action but only if ahead.

    No props, no hardways, no fields, no bonus bets (bubble doesn't offer them).

    I should parlay more. I generally don't.

    I'll never win big nor lose big. I enjoy the action.
     
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  4. Onautopilot, Mar 23, 2017

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    You don't have to win big if you never lose big.....a good philosophy there! We play much alike now, I do parlay wins once though, and have to employ the negative progression to offset the extra volatility of that play, which actually increases it even more. :)

    That old, "Push the balloon in on one side, it just bulges out the other side an equal amount."!
     
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  5. random_roller, Mar 23, 2017

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    PL with max odds, $204 across, parlay the $5 Hard 8 hit 3 times and down, Doey-Don't with place/lay odds based upon the point number, PL w/2 Come bets, DP w/2 DC bets, Iron Cross, $60 Place 6 & 8, Buy the 4/10.

    Did I miss anything? :D

    One of these days I'm going to take $300, play at a $5 table for an hour or two, and bet $1 on the 12 each roll the entire time and see what happens. I'll report my findings on this forum. For now, I'm often a place bettor -- 6 & 8 for $30-$60 each and regress after a hit, then press starting on the 2nd hit. If the table is going well (or when I'm the shooter), I'll play an Iron Cross. Nothing too exciting. Love the ATS bet for the (potential) added bonus.

    Oh, and heading for the baccarat table or sports bar when things go south at the craps table. Or is it I head to the craps table when things go south at the baccarat table?
     
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  6. Onautopilot, Mar 24, 2017

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    I did that one time on the 11, a $1 each roll for I think about 50 rolls or so. My intent was one parlay on a win. Got more parlay chances than expectation, got no parlay wins....but that was "expected". :)
     
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  7. Onautopilot, Mar 24, 2017

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    JB's "Flip Skip" strategy.........a flat line bet opposite of the last decision, skip a decision on any loss, then bet opposite of that skipped result.

    Designed to take advantage of any "streak" of "1.s". PDPDPDPD. (Streaks of 1 are the most common streaks)

    The "skip" is designed to avoid total disaster on long pass, or don't streaks.

    Sims seem to show this strategy consistently out performs a straight pass or don't strategy. (of course you are betting less with the skipped rolls), but the percentages seem to favor the "flip skip" strategy.

    I designed and played this quite a bit, and added a negative progression option to it. I did fairly well, but the play is like watching paint dry. :)

    But it's still there in my "bag of Tricks". :)

    Actually, my bag is bulging......from too many years searching for that elusive "hiccup" in random. :)

    But that is part of my enjoyment of the game, and why I paly it!
     
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  8. lone irish digit, Mar 25, 2017

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    Although Barney doesn't gamble he does enjoy a lot of tricks. Myself I have described many of my AP gambling moves for VP and craps. However, for real craps I have narrowed down my playing strategy to one main and three options:

    LID's Main Real Craps Strategy - Hit the numbers you are betting on

    LID's Alternative Strategy
    1. Supperick's Go to - Bet the numbers that are hitting

    2. Supprick's Back up - Bet the numbers that are due

    3. Craps Pooper Las Vegas Craps Professional - Wait to after 8 rolls and put out lay bets since you have a 99% probability to hit a seven on the next roll per WOV
     
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  9. HornHiYo, Mar 26, 2017

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    I play similar pass and come but no negative progression. It seems a negative progression may be fun to play once in a while. Can you expand a little on your negative progression betting ratio?
     
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  10. Onautopilot, Mar 26, 2017

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    The thought behind my negative progression scheme, is that there will be a run of pass, and / or, come bets eventually. I parlay all wins one time, so any small run usually recoups previous losses.

    If I lose several hands with a pass, and two come bets, I increase my bets on the next hand by one unit, if I lose several on that, again I increase one unit, and so on. If I win on an increased unit hand, I go back to a level that I was previously betting, and so on/

    For instance, if I get down 4-5 units, I progress a unit, if I get down 8-10 units, another unit progression, 14-20 units down, another increase a unit. I then regress according to amount won on any progression hand. Sometimes it's just the progression before, sometimes I recoup the whole loss on a progressed.

    A good run on a progressed level can turn into a really nice comeback and win.....but there is always the outside chance I will reach my maximum progression level with no recovery, that is a rare event, but it is a reality.

    I have a large bankroll and a small win goal, so I enjoy many small wins, and the very rare bust......the expectation is over a 90% win rate, and so far, I have exceeded that by luckily avoiding any total bust. I have quit the session a few times down some because of time constraint or other reasons for leaving the session.

    It can become time consuming, but I have fun with it.

    It is fairly simple, but not as easy to really explain here on "paper". :)

    The 90% win rate is based on a $500 bankroll, and a $50 win goal. This is something I play on the bubble more than a table, I can get the lower bet minimums to start that I want.

    I start with $5 bets, parlayed one time, and continuing bets for the hand....keeping 3 bets in action. Down $20, I go to a $10 bet, down $60, I go to a $15 bet, down a $100, I go to a $20 dollar bet, and so on.
     
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  11. Onautopilot, Mar 26, 2017

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    To add to the above post of mine, I often find that I am progressing and regressing on a continuing basis...add a unit, win a little, regress a unit lose a little, progress, win, etc.

    It is a bit of a take off on the old scheme of upping your bet after any loss, lowering your bet on any win.....it's just I use multiple bets, and the total hand as my loss or win indicator.
     
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  12. HornHiYo, Mar 26, 2017

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    Hey JB;
    Thanks for sharing!
    I like the premise, logic and approach.
    I think it will fit right into my bag of tricks!
     
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  13. KokomoJoe4, Mar 26, 2017

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    In reality, not too many ways to play in my bag.

    Sometimes it is pretty easy to see that the Do's aren't flying, so there is always the DC. Don't like the DP because sometimes regular DP players piss the table mates off, especially when they are the only ones showing some wins.

    For me, making place or buys amounts to a different game, as does making 2 or 3 wagers at a time. In this sense, I have always been a very boring player, but this will frequently prevent fast, big losses.
     
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  14. von duck, Mar 26, 2017

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    Got to agree on this one. Placing, the numbers, inside, outside, even just 6 and 8, is a very hard way to win, so bad in fact, that I am always amazed at how many people, actually play this way.
     
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    Its harder to win but easier to work a progressive betting. With less investment usualy. 10$ pl + 2 come and 2x odds is 90$.
    66 inside with progression is 24$ cheaper and pays good money too. If you work a progression like mark on youtube, and you work a progression from 66 inside to 110 inside for 1$ on the first win. Spread one unit on each inside number. After 2 hits you are getting paid double your investment on every bet and you just collect from there. With an option to take off your bets when you want after 3rd hit and have 86$ profit+ in 3 hits.
     
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  16. KokomoJoe4, Mar 27, 2017

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    there are times when things will work out exactly as we talk - put out four bets, press the first hit to go up on two or even all 4, then start collecting the next few hits to cover outlay, then press some more.

    Biggest problem with multiple bets is that, in the hypothetical, we seldom consider the consequences of the immediate loser - you know, the time where everything placed onto the table is scraped off before even a single chip returns to the rack. Doesn't always have to be a PSO - maybe a couple of craps roll, then one or both of the numbers we are not on, another craps, and then the seven.

    Often it is not easy to recapture the outlay - for this reason why not press everything up on the first hit. If you are inside for $42 (make that $44 - shows you how often I place bet ,LOL), maybe press up 3 of the 4 numbers on the first hit, needing to toss in a white. Now if two of the pressed numbers show, you are even :rolleyes:, and if 3 show, you are almost golden - at least you have a winner.

    Not my style of play, but we have all seen it work beautifully, at times.
     
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  17. von duck, Mar 27, 2017

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    Because,statistically speaking, it is always better to take money off the table, than to add money to the table, always.
     
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    And better to just stay home with this analogy. :)

    "Better" to do something when selecting a craps move, is predicated on ones goals and resources for that session.

    Some goals favor pressing a bet, some goals favor regressing a bet......"better" is a subjective term when referring to craps strategies.
     
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    The key word is STATISTICALLY. He asked the question,"why not". There is no strategy, to what if I succeed, strategy is what if I lose.
     
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    Certainly! It's always STATISTCALLY better to not play....or as you say, take money off the table.
     
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