HOW can you be a DICE PLAYER and remain IGNORANT of the GAME?

Discussion in 'Advanced Craps' started by SevenOut, Jul 22, 2013.

  1. eddiebones, May 8, 2014

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    Grizz,

    That is your style play. The problem with the pass line bet is that you Have To take the odds behind it otherwise it's a horrible bet, even money. The only good thing about the PL bet is the Natural. Personally I will hop the sevens for 15-1 on the CO instead. But everyone plays different and that's OK.
     
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  2. SevenOut, Jul 7, 2018

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    After five years... nothing has changed.
     
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  3. von duck, Jul 7, 2018

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    :confused: What do you know, that the rest of us don't. You are responding to a post at least 4 years old. :cool:
     
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  4. SevenOut, Jul 7, 2018

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    The Romans were shooting dice a long time before I made this wonderfully exciting post. Four years ago? You may have been the Forum Member who did not know what the Full Monte Craps System was... that was five years ago. Still works today. Imagine that.
     
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  5. James Hall, Jul 7, 2018

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    On several occasions I have mentioned the ,
    "GROUP OF INSIDERS" and their statements about you can't win at craps, only to receive replies from TDV , DeMango , horn hi etc.
    Saying "NOBODY EVER SAID YOU CAN'T WIN" playing craps

    The above post was brought to my attention
    and I thought it might be important & interesting
    to post it here for others to see and enjoy

    TDV aren't you the one that said you never read anything
    on craps saying it was a waste of your time??
    The question then must become , why would you
    play a game YOU KNOW YOU WILL LOSE at?

    I know Superrick suggests that all novice players
    read Scarne on Dice , you might do well to read that as well
    When you call him about the other book he might let you
    borrow his copy of Scarne on Dice
    It's worth a shot
     
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  6. James Hall, Jul 13, 2018

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    TDV was pretty explicit on this post
     
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  7. James Hall, Aug 15, 2018

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    This is why craps players have so much trouble winning
    They cannot or will not separate the two elements of the game.
    The mathematics does not control the physical
    part of the game.
    The casino math simply tells you
    how much and why you are going to lose
    if the dice remain random
    The physical aspect of the game can and does
    have fluctuations , the dice do not always
    produce the outcomes probability might suggest
    The outcomes the dice produce
    can be manipulated / influenced when that happens
    the final outcome will be different , the house advantage changes
     
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  8. twodicebilly, Aug 16, 2018

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    James


    Yes and completely wrong.

    tdb
     
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  9. James Hall, Aug 16, 2018

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    Now here is a man who knows ,
    "Where on the table the real money abides".
     
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  10. James Hall, Aug 20, 2018

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    Camp Wolters , Mineral Wells , Texas
    I was there in 1962 , guess where I went after that
     
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  11. James Hall, Aug 21, 2018

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    OK , after arguing for two years on this forum with TDV
    it seems he had a moment where a fact pierced the vail
    of doubt and denial and he says he has moderated his opinion
    on this point , perhaps he will now see this as a FACT
    time will tell.
    Now , while TDV seems to be somewhat receptive of reality ,
    let us see what we can do about moderating his , OPINION on
    the statement above. He has somehow linked two bets together
    and attempts to sell them as one bet .
    The pass line bet being one bet and the odds bet being a second bet.
    The pass line bet pays even money while the odds bet pays true odds.
    The casino in their great and infinite wisdom BRIBE players into
    playing that gawd awful pass line bet by offering true odds on the odds bet
    many players fall for that , hook line and sinker, not realizing that
    PLACING THE NUMBERS is a much better option all the way around
    and we will get into that with more detail as time goes by , and we will
    be comparing TDVegas's opinions with those of other players at the same time.
    TDVegas says that James Hall wants everybody to play the way he says to play
    be assured , such is not the case , I and others merely wish to highlight
    some different options then you can decide which is the , "RIGHT GAME"
    MORE TO COME
     
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  12. James Hall, Aug 21, 2018

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    I recently asked a pit boss why the pass line odds bet
    has no marked spot to advertise the bet.
    He said , "THERE WASN'T ROOM FOR IT"
    The reality is , Once you make your pass line bet
    they would really rather you didn't take the odds .

    Ask yourself this question
    Why would the house not simply have you bet the pass line
    then pay you the true odds on whatever number became the point
    instead of requiring a second bet to be paid odds???
     
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  13. TDVegas, Aug 21, 2018

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    Player holds the edge on pass line bet on come out.

    8 ways to win. 4 ways to lose.

    If a point is established and they then pay true odds....

    In effect....the casino would be offering a player advantage wager which could and would eventually bankrupt the casino.

    I see you didn't like my advice on not using my name. Que sera, sera.
     
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  14. James Hall, Aug 21, 2018

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    For one roll then you are at a disadvantage
    On the second and separate bet , not the pass line bet
    No not at all , I didn't dislike your advice , WELCOME ABOARD
    I have decided to offer posts that show differing
    alternatives / strategies to the game you suggest
    Rather than the play to not lose or to at least break even strategies
    I will offer the BALLS TO THE WALL play to win strategies
    People can read and compare and decide , as you put it ,
    "WHAT THEY WANT" , what they expect , and all that other stuff
    The who , what , where and how much
    and I will provide the , "HOW & WHY"
    Should be fun
     
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  15. TDVegas, Aug 21, 2018

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    What? You said instead of requiring a second bet to be paid odds.

    Now you’re saying second bet to be made.
     
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  16. Edward-ky, Aug 21, 2018

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    Your basis for what a better bet is basednon bbn personnal experience which does not make it a better bet. One can use the math to figure out what is better based on the house advantage which that doesnt say what is trully better bet for the session or multiple sessions. The only true way to know what the better bet is would be to compile the data after the fact which may not be useful at all.
     
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  17. Edward-ky, Aug 21, 2018

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    Why do you continually make this assinine statement about the group of insiders as you believe they all have the same thoughts on craps, which i would say none of them have the exact same thoughts on craps. Nothing you ever post has any amount of credibility. Every time you post that and people on here broke into your personnal finances reinforces the fact that you lie and continue to lie.
     
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  18. James Hall, Aug 21, 2018

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    Reread the post then reword your post The one post you are questioning
    SAID NOTHING , it was posing a question
     
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  19. TDVegas, Aug 21, 2018

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    Ok...then the answer to your "posing a question" is that it accomplishes nothing other than making the dealers job more difficult.

    If I'm reading it right. Player makes a $5 pass line wager. 6 is rolled. You then are "posing" the question to instead give the dealer the odds money to put in the 6 box rather than the player placing it behind his chip....

    Now the dealer has to keep track within the box...place bets on 6, come bets that have traveled to 6, come bets that have traveled to 6 with odds added AND now you are adding another stand alone bet being paid true odds based on the pass line wager?

    How is this easier than simply putting the odds bet behind the pass line wager?

    You're not suggesting for a $5 pass line wager to be made and the player just stacks his odds on top after the 6 is rolled?
     
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  20. James Hall, Aug 21, 2018

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    Personal experience is exactly how you should be deciding bets
    "BET WHAT YOUR DICE ARE GIVING YOU"
    Exactly right, the math has no value , it simply tells you the HA.
    Far too many people allow the math to guide them into
    many times betting the wrong numbers
    "BET WHAT YOUR DICE ARE GIVING YOU"
    Then that would not be a true way. The best course of action would be to
    "BET WHAT YOUR DICE ARE GIVING YOU"
    That way you will be making the better bets
     
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