Grizz, That is your style play. The problem with the pass line bet is that you Have To take the odds behind it otherwise it's a horrible bet, even money. The only good thing about the PL bet is the Natural. Personally I will hop the sevens for 15-1 on the CO instead. But everyone plays different and that's OK.
****** The Romans were shooting dice a long time before I made this wonderfully exciting post. Four years ago? You may have been the Forum Member who did not know what the Full Monte Craps System was... that was five years ago. Still works today. Imagine that.
On several occasions I have mentioned the , "GROUP OF INSIDERS" and their statements about you can't win at craps, only to receive replies from TDV , DeMango , horn hi etc. Saying "NOBODY EVER SAID YOU CAN'T WIN" playing craps The above post was brought to my attention and I thought it might be important & interesting to post it here for others to see and enjoy TDV aren't you the one that said you never read anything on craps saying it was a waste of your time?? The question then must become , why would you play a game YOU KNOW YOU WILL LOSE at? I know Superrick suggests that all novice players read Scarne on Dice , you might do well to read that as well When you call him about the other book he might let you borrow his copy of Scarne on Dice It's worth a shot
This is why craps players have so much trouble winning They cannot or will not separate the two elements of the game. The mathematics does not control the physical part of the game. The casino math simply tells you how much and why you are going to lose if the dice remain random The physical aspect of the game can and does have fluctuations , the dice do not always produce the outcomes probability might suggest The outcomes the dice produce can be manipulated / influenced when that happens the final outcome will be different , the house advantage changes
OK , after arguing for two years on this forum with TDV it seems he had a moment where a fact pierced the vail of doubt and denial and he says he has moderated his opinion on this point , perhaps he will now see this as a FACT time will tell. Now , while TDV seems to be somewhat receptive of reality , let us see what we can do about moderating his , OPINION on the statement above. He has somehow linked two bets together and attempts to sell them as one bet . The pass line bet being one bet and the odds bet being a second bet. The pass line bet pays even money while the odds bet pays true odds. The casino in their great and infinite wisdom BRIBE players into playing that gawd awful pass line bet by offering true odds on the odds bet many players fall for that , hook line and sinker, not realizing that PLACING THE NUMBERS is a much better option all the way around and we will get into that with more detail as time goes by , and we will be comparing TDVegas's opinions with those of other players at the same time. TDVegas says that James Hall wants everybody to play the way he says to play be assured , such is not the case , I and others merely wish to highlight some different options then you can decide which is the , "RIGHT GAME" MORE TO COME
I recently asked a pit boss why the pass line odds bet has no marked spot to advertise the bet. He said , "THERE WASN'T ROOM FOR IT" The reality is , Once you make your pass line bet they would really rather you didn't take the odds . Ask yourself this question Why would the house not simply have you bet the pass line then pay you the true odds on whatever number became the point instead of requiring a second bet to be paid odds???
Player holds the edge on pass line bet on come out. 8 ways to win. 4 ways to lose. If a point is established and they then pay true odds.... In effect....the casino would be offering a player advantage wager which could and would eventually bankrupt the casino. I see you didn't like my advice on not using my name. Que sera, sera.
For one roll then you are at a disadvantage On the second and separate bet , not the pass line bet No not at all , I didn't dislike your advice , WELCOME ABOARD I have decided to offer posts that show differing alternatives / strategies to the game you suggest Rather than the play to not lose or to at least break even strategies I will offer the BALLS TO THE WALL play to win strategies People can read and compare and decide , as you put it , "WHAT THEY WANT" , what they expect , and all that other stuff The who , what , where and how much and I will provide the , "HOW & WHY" Should be fun
What? You said instead of requiring a second bet to be paid odds. Now you’re saying second bet to be made.
Your basis for what a better bet is basednon bbn personnal experience which does not make it a better bet. One can use the math to figure out what is better based on the house advantage which that doesnt say what is trully better bet for the session or multiple sessions. The only true way to know what the better bet is would be to compile the data after the fact which may not be useful at all.
Why do you continually make this assinine statement about the group of insiders as you believe they all have the same thoughts on craps, which i would say none of them have the exact same thoughts on craps. Nothing you ever post has any amount of credibility. Every time you post that and people on here broke into your personnal finances reinforces the fact that you lie and continue to lie.
Reread the post then reword your post The one post you are questioning SAID NOTHING , it was posing a question
Ok...then the answer to your "posing a question" is that it accomplishes nothing other than making the dealers job more difficult. If I'm reading it right. Player makes a $5 pass line wager. 6 is rolled. You then are "posing" the question to instead give the dealer the odds money to put in the 6 box rather than the player placing it behind his chip.... Now the dealer has to keep track within the box...place bets on 6, come bets that have traveled to 6, come bets that have traveled to 6 with odds added AND now you are adding another stand alone bet being paid true odds based on the pass line wager? How is this easier than simply putting the odds bet behind the pass line wager? You're not suggesting for a $5 pass line wager to be made and the player just stacks his odds on top after the 6 is rolled?
Personal experience is exactly how you should be deciding bets "BET WHAT YOUR DICE ARE GIVING YOU" Exactly right, the math has no value , it simply tells you the HA. Far too many people allow the math to guide them into many times betting the wrong numbers "BET WHAT YOUR DICE ARE GIVING YOU" Then that would not be a true way. The best course of action would be to "BET WHAT YOUR DICE ARE GIVING YOU" That way you will be making the better bets
