HOW can you be a DICE PLAYER and remain IGNORANT of the GAME?

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  1. TDVegas, Nov 3, 2018

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    This guy is back....?

    Mike's Ladder...?

    Might as well call it "Bob's Sewer Pipe"....

    Same result.
     
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  2. James Hall, Nov 3, 2018

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    No that is not what I said
    go back to post 263 page 14 of this thread and read it again,
    I was responding to TDVegas.
     
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  3. James Hall, Nov 3, 2018

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    Yes apparently he has returned .
    what is wrong with Mikes ladder?
     
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  4. James Hall, Nov 3, 2018

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    How about Jacobs ladder?
     
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  5. Mssthis1, Nov 4, 2018

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    Most people who consider themselves as playing craps to supplement their income and do not believe in Di use some form of "Mikes Ladder" aka, a negative progression system and play it on the dark side.

    If you have a huge bankroll and are happy with small wins you may go the rest of your life without a bankroll devastation run. Like any system, it works every time but the last time. ;)

    Rumor is Archie Karis came up with this system.
     
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  6. RightMath, Nov 4, 2018

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    HOW can you be a DICE PLAYER and remain IGNORANT of the GAME? Good question.

    What I am saying is. It is mathematically possible to beat gambling. When I learned the field bet could never be beaten. I took on the challenge. I found the answer. We were all taught the answer in grade school. Just like looking for "Waldo" in a picture. Or a "Easter Egg" in software. The answer is there, you just have to find it. If you use the RightMath. Remember you heard it here first.
     
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  7. James Hall, Nov 4, 2018

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    DI with a matching betting strategy , "betting what the dice are giving you'" ,
    is as close to fool proof as you can get.
     
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  8. RightMath, Nov 4, 2018

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    Yes I came back. Just wanted to remind myself, How little people who gamble know about math.
    How many people in the world gamble? Whats a bell curve? One end of a bell curve is losers.
    the other end is winners. The winners think they know it all. The losers wish they knew better.
    Random luck/bad-luck is the only difference. Until you learn how to do the RightMath.
    "Mike's Ladder" was developed using the RightMath.
    There is a difference between doing the "Math Right" and doing the "RightMath."
    Remember you heard it here first.
     
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  9. Freddyy, Nov 5, 2018

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    Math is a stupid way to approach gambling.

    Math has to do with payouts, statistics, but won’t influence the results. Randomized result cannot be predicted or systematized. It’s random.

    Now making a negative progression on a random result is the worst thing in gambling, and believe me I truly tested it for almost 15 years. You can win, but you will get massacred by random events. And they come in streaks usually.

    It’s What poker players call Running bad, and it usualy is months long before it turns around. So if you are running into a wall...it’ll cripple your bankroll.
     
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  10. James Hall, Nov 5, 2018

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    In craps many players let the casino math steer them
    into the wrong game , they play it for years unable to win.
     
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  11. James Hall, Nov 5, 2018

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    I personally find it quite counter intuitive to win
    less money each time a number hits. I prefer to win MORE each time.
     
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    Poker players, card counting blackjack players will HIGHLY disagree.

    Even basic strategy play in blackjack is utilizing math. It is most definitely a sound approach.

    Math is tool which can certainly help a gambler. If we all threw math to the wind....then just bet the highest paying bets (hops, horns, hardways) and shit can place, buy, come, pass, and odds. If it's all random, why take a measly $7 on a $6 place 8 bet if that same $6 gets $180 on boxcars? Or put it on a hardway.

    Plus you are really ignoring random "expectation" when you simply say "random result." That would be fine if each number had the same opportunity (chance) to roll....akin to roulette. It doesn't.

    One does not have to be totally beholden to math...but to simply toss it away is a ridiculous way to approach gambling, IMO.
     
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  13. basicstrategy777, Nov 13, 2018 at 3:27 PM

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    In the casino there is one who uses math exclusively, and they win.....777
     
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    Well yeah. You may not have picked up on this BUT It is much easier to get ahead with large wins than it is with small wins. Now who would have thunk? Imagine that! AND just imagine what a midnight amounts to with just four full presses starting with just a $5 bet.

    As you may have read somewhere with each roll that seven is getting closer and closer.....so those four hits mentioned above will get you in, get you up, and get you out fast. Jeez... the simplicity and genius of it all. HUH!

    Now doesn't it seem soooo much easier and sooo much more relaxing to risk their money rather than your bankroll? One hand of four full presses on the highest paying prop bet the dice happen to be giving you and you're outta there with a nice little win. Rinse and repeat at the next casino.

    Now if you play this strategy here's a priceless Tip: Never stay beyond four full presses cuz the casino may bar you from future play. They stick together ya know and that would cut down your money making opportunities.
     
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    Is that all it takes? Sign me up. I'm in Vegas. I'll pop in to a different casino each day and do this. I'll even pay someone to do it. $1,000/day. If he fails, he reimburses the losses. If he succeeds, he get $1,000 from me and whatever he pockets from the casino.

    All monies held in bank escrow until the day is over.

    Bueller? Bueller? Seems he stayed home in the garage instead.
     
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    Math can help a gambler , if it's the right math. Using the casino math
    simply tells a person the same thing it does the casino which is
    "How and why they beat the hell out of the players".
    That math is set up to tell the casino
    how much of your win to take from you to insure they always come out ahead.
    Instead of figuring why the casino wins ,
    figure out what you have to do to come out ahead.
    ,Yes because they are ,
    FIGURING OUT WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO WIN.
    No he isn't .
    In craps throw out the casino math it is for the casino , when
    players it causes them to play the wrong game
    instead of betting based on what is happening the bet
    strictly low HA bets , a sure recipe for disaster.
     
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  17. James Hall

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    Yep the casino relies on the math to win
    Gamblers rely on luck
    and it is funny how quickly luck can change
    when we influence it just a bit.
     
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    Very good thought , very good indeed , I'm a bit surprised
    If you expand that just a bit , considering how many here
    bet to lose less , a person might say
    "It's much easier to get ahead with large wins
    that it is with smaller losses . A lot of the betting strategies shared
    on this forum are geared in just that way , "small losses"
    Make the change you'll love the results
    Now I know you were just being sarcastic because the TRUTH
    at times shakes you out of your tree but to explore
    the possibilities of that half , "@$$" snide remark let's look at a
    10 with 4 full presses which I have done on numerous occasions
    that would allow me to rack a whopping $2,025.
    While some guy playing your game
    would rack up an astounding $36
    YOWZA YOWZA

    The big difference between what you do and I do
    is the courage to press the 4 times the courage to be able to lose the $5.

    "If you don't have the courage to lose
    How can you possibly hope to win"?
     
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    Even if you believed that was possible you would never
    do it , you ain't got the shaft to let anything ride thru 4 passes.
    If you spent more time in your garage ,

    Anyway if you would scrape yourself away from that $1 bubble
    learn a little and practice , who knows maybe you too could
    win one now and again.
    NAAH you would have to do a $5 bet , that ain't gonna happen
     
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    I have to go with the people who say craps can be beaten. just have to know how.
    for around 40 years I watch everyone trying to get into a 5 dollar table, 2 deep, even 3 deep sometimes, while the 50 or 100 dollar tables remain empty, or one or two players.
    why would a gambler who knows how to win just walk up and put 100 dollar or more bets down, theres no fun in it, no honor knowing you can and will beat the casino at its own game.
    so wait all night and buy in for 200 bucks and show them who the boss is.
     
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