House edge for BUY the 2/3/11/12

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  1. azbroncfan, Jan 24, 2020

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    Can anyone tell me the house edge for BUY bets on 12/2 and 3/11 with vig on win for $10 and $25 bets? Seems like it is as good as the 10 at 25 bucks.
     
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  2. von duck, Jan 24, 2020

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    Uh, let's see, NO, we don't know that one. Your best bet would be to ask, no wait, he's dead. No, we don't have anybody. OK, I'll field it. No, no, it's too much work, somebody else take it. If you're looking for "vig on win" I doubt if you'll find it, on a crapless table. The only reason to offer "crapless" would be to "skin" you, so, no you're not gonna find it, except at some of your finer, Patagonian Casinos. :cool:
     
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  3. azbroncfan, Jan 24, 2020

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    Not sure what you are rambling on but I'm not smart enough to know how to figure house edge. I was buying the 12 for 10 bucks for the true 6 to 1 odds for 1 buck. I feel the house edge is very minimal.

    If you dont have anything to offer I dont need to hear your made up drivel. You can buy the 2/12 for 25 only costing you a dollar on the win when I asked how high could I go before I pay 2 dollar vig. I was at Luxor and NYNY in Vegas btw. Pass line is a dog shit bet in this game though.
     
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  4. DeMango, Jan 24, 2020

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    If you can find a buy $25 12, vig on win, the % is under 1! Don’t know anyplace east of Mississippi that does this anymore, they got smart.
     
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  5. von duck, Jan 24, 2020

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    If you're so poor at math, that you cant solve this problem, then knowing the answer isn't going to help you, because it would have no meaning. OK, if you can find a pay on win, then it's easy. 7 bets = 6 losers and 1 winner. 25 X 7 = $175 played, $1 lost to vig. 1/175 = .0057 so H/E .57%. Be carful with H/E, it's a useful number, but does not always tell the whole story. :cool:
     
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    (1/7 x 59) - (6/7 x 10) / 10 = - 0.0143 = - 1.43%

    When it's on the win, multiply ratio ways to win/ ways to win + ways to lose times the amount won, where you need to subtract out the vig.

    All of this MINUS ways to lose/ways to win + ways to lose times amount at risk divided by amount at risk.

    IF vig is still only $1 for a $25 wager, HE is down to -0.57%.
     
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  7. von duck, Jan 25, 2020

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    $10 bets, 7X10 = 70 $1 vig lost, so 1/70 = .0.01428 or 1.43% same answer, much easier approach. :cool:
     
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  8. basicstrategy777, Jan 25, 2020

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    ahhhhhh.......I got that duck now.....























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    Used to be able to pay $1 vig, on win, for a $35 twelve. So $210 for $1. Mind boggling.
     
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  11. basicstrategy777, Jan 25, 2020

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    That falcon is doing over 240 mph......and you are on to something....we get alot of military stuff from animals/birds/fish.....777
     
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    There's no question of resemblance. Uncanny. Even the little beak bend.
     
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    Nature has had millions of years (and countless failures) to eventually come up with optimized designs for successful species. Long after the human race has irreparably screwed things up (for mankind) on this planet, other life forms will still flourish. Perhaps some of the survivors might even be able to settle the DI vs. random argument at that point.
     
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    The thought is there...definitely, but the B-2 was a highly classified development and no one is on record as being inspired by this bird of prey. The profile is uncanny.

    A nice video with the terrain as the back drop...gives you a good sense of speed as opposed to a blue sky.

     
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  16. lone irish digit, Jan 26, 2020

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    This is Barney

    I don't know how accurate this is but Max Planck says the Nazis were developing the flying wing during war but was deemed too unstable to fly based on the current technology of the 40s.
     
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  17. basicstrategy777, Jan 26, 2020

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    Oh....you mean the Horton Ho 229.

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  19. von duck, Jan 26, 2020

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    The B-2 is pretty much like the original Northrop flying wings of the 40s. There were 9 of them built with a couple lost in crashes, due to some stability problems, that would require computer controls, to solve. The fleet had both jet and prop versions, but was blown-up with dynamite, if you can believe that.
    I believe they were destroyed to conceal the fact that they were "semi-immune" to radar detection, and well positioned people were invested in the billions of dollars of radar equipment, we would be sold, over the next 30 or so years.
    Incidentally, the Northrop, B-49s (jet version) had the same wing span, as the B-2. :cool: The prop version, was called a B-35. The people that flew these planes always played "crapless", and always bought the horn numbers. :)
     
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  20. von duck, Jan 27, 2020

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    No, they did NOT get smart, :confused: they just know the players are stupid.:) For one thing, you're showing up at a crapless table, this would automatically eliminate anybody with an IQ over 70. :cool:
     
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