I did not post this thread under Dice Influencing because it will only open up a can of worms, i will say that settng the dice as the Guru's teach is TOTALLY useless, Why? Simply because setting the dice as they recommend 2V, 3V, Hardways, etc, DOES NOT WORK, the reason is because what they profess requires perfect execution & that aint gonna happen. You can set the dice ALL DAY long, THINKING that the top numbers that you set are gonna appear. GOOD LUCK WITH THAT! End results from dice tosses will NOT end up AS EXPECTED a GREAT majority of the time. if it did, there'd be a slew of rich Di's making the Casinos their personal ATM machines, The Gurus have hood winked you! Without getting into the intracacies of Dice Sets, i will say this: EVERY Dice Set that you use should be designed for receiving results that are gonna imperfect. Expecting anything else is just delusional thinking!