Hawaiian Crapshooters

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  1. Dave G Ct, Sep 16, 2021

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    Moneyshot a shout out to LID. This play is called the 70 option.No it's not a boring one horse come bet like KoKo uses.He wouldn't want to put the table to sleep.
     
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    No they don't post on a played out craps forum.No they film their table action at several Vegas casinos. It's called making it happen. I am sure LID will agree these shooters are not on the timid side.
     
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  4. lone irish digit, Sep 16, 2021

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    This is Barney

    If I have correctly understood what the LID wrote in his most amazing craps best selling book "Craps for Innumerates", then the Hawian craps personage are making terrible mistake in their multi tiered betting strateg based on DI, Known Tosser, and Randies. Their math for the tiers is based upon the average toss length.

    Average length of craps toss including comeout and seven out toss is 8.5 which apparently is what they base much of their strategy on.

    The mode or most common number of rolls in a shooters hand (including the 7out) is only 3.

    The second most common is 2, the PSO.

    But personages must consider the distribution, especially in short term when one might not have enough bankroll to wait hours for a long roll which will help skew average towards 8.5
     
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  5. twodicebilly, Sep 16, 2021

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    I enjoy watching them, but what does that have to do with DI???

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    If I have correctly understood what the LID wrote in his most amazing craps best selling book "Craps for Innumerates", then the Hawian craps personage are making terrible mistake in their multi tiered betting strateg based on DI, Known Tosser, and Randies. Their math for the tiers is based upon the average toss length.

    Average length of craps toss including comeout and seven out toss is 8.5 which apparently is what they base much of their strategy on.


    There are times a dice setter with the wrong set will pso much more than most people. I was watching there videos
    for some time and like some of things they do and where they land the dice, BUT i am not betting $410 on anyone
    i saw on them. Having seen a good many good shooters, the only person i would bet $410 on is Jerry and the second
    guy would be Rick.

    The question for me is simple, who trains them to shoot, their shots are all GTC like and if thats what they
    are, then the basics are still the same. Still i really enjoy their videos

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  7. Dave G Ct, Sep 16, 2021

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    TDB & LID. More of a betting video than a DI vid.I use regression with the inside numbers to begin a series just to preserve my bankroll. Same thing they are doing in getting that $70 covered.
     
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    Bucket challenge.Who' s up for it? Moneyshot looked pretty good on that 4.5 ! TDB - LID you being called out!
     
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    "It's expensive to fly to Las Vegas (from Hawaii), so please support us on Patreon".

    WTF, lol. The guy lives in paradise (Hawaii) and he is asking others to help him out so he can gamble in Las Vegas. SMH...

    I get the desire for instant gratification, but a $410 iron cross is not something I'll bet. Just place the 6 or 8 for $60. 1 hit and +$70. Or buy the 4 & 10 for $36 each (plus $2 vig total at my local casino; YMMV) -- 6 ways to win & lose. Probably take more than 1 roll for resolution, but who knows.
     
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    Hawaiian players are big players.Has always been.
     
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    I like it, we have been doing that for years, Linaway has the target zone detector which i think is 3-4
    inches.

    I also noticed when they go across table in some vidoes into the corner, excellent, Rick saw my shot
    many many years ago and the first thing he said was drop that shot in the corner in the dont come box.

    The holy grail of dice control, the shot, the landing zone, and then correlating the set to your shot, the
    icing on the cake is playing on the right tables.

    I will spend more time watching these guys, i am to lazy , or i would have made a video of this long ago

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    This is Barney

    I showed one of these Money Shot videos to Eustace and he became very disturbed. He is contemplating contacting a lawyer because he says that was his screen name in some of the farm animal videos he made in the seventies
     
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    the arm throwing....[​IMG]

    the duck [​IMG]

    demango [​IMG]

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    Dom

    Hawiians [​IMG]


    First Americans going to craps tournament
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  15. Dave G Ct, Sep 18, 2021

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    I do like the semi hedge they employ on random shooters $36 action 6&8 with an $80 lay on the 4. Get 2 hits then remove or one hit and regress a unit in each
     
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    They are back in Vegas!
     
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  17. Dave G Ct, Sep 22, 2021

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    One aspect of the Hawaiian Crapshooters is that they. go into exotic betting strategies but not much into the technicals of DI.
     
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    I didn't see anything too unusual with their betting during that session. Overall, they're more aggressive than the average craps bettor. However, a $30 6 & 8 pressed to $42 (1st hit) and $60 (2nd hit) happens quite often. Likewise, a $25 5 & 9 to $35 (1st hit) and $50 (2nd hit) is also routine. Placing across at $25+ per number after the come out is where they're arguably more aggressive than most bettors.
     
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    Yes their betting is all over the place. Their value is entertainment! Like the talking at the table. They shoot an overhand toss landing around 6"" from the back wall. Moneyshot has a decent looking toss but they all have too high of a bounce upon landing.
     
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    I am going to have to agree with Koganinja .Just because you can put up a DI video should you? Just saw one one of the Hawaiian crew put up a video in which her toss had too much energy and bouncing all over the place.
    Koga has recently stated these vids are amateurish and the tosses are bad. Fine I am all for DI vids but let's see some decent play that can educate. Who was that UTuber that had great production values but set DI back 20 years? Name slips my mind( had Harly and the Masked Avenger) at least they were comical!
     
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