Hardways betting strategy

Discussion in 'Prop Bets & Side Bets' started by siik2nr, Sep 28, 2011.

  1. Twelve4s, May 28, 2018

    Twelve4s

    Twelve4s Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2016
    Messages:
    5,249
    Likes Received:
    4,249
    Gender:
    Male
    And don’t forget to bet extra on what the dice HAVE given you. This strategy will improve your wins immensely.
     
    #41
    yacraps likes this.
  2. 6&8Hopper, May 28, 2018

    6&8Hopper

    6&8Hopper Member

    Joined:
    May 28, 2018
    Messages:
    17
    Likes Received:
    12
    Gender:
    Male
    Thanks that was a quick response.
    Ok here it goes.
    I'm an avid craps player so bare with me. But first may I say that a lot of people talk about prop bets (and so many other bets on the craps table) as being suckers bets just because the odds of the them are so less but isnt that " gambling"
    Ok here it goes.
    On the come out roll I hop the 6's and 8's for a $1each ($6) and if they hit I either $16 and down on the easy 6's or 8's or $31 and down on the hard 6or8.
    ($16 and down)....I keep my original $6 that I put up on the hopping 6's and 8's so now I am even with my money and split the $10 that I am ahead on the hard 6 and 8 for $5 each. One hit on either the 6 or 8 hard I hit for $45 and take the $5 down on the other hardway and take the $5 on the hardway I hit on and the win of $45 added together for$50 and then split it on the hard 6 and 8 for $25 each. A second hit on either the 6 or 8 hard wins $225. Either I just take the $225 or take down both $25 on the hardways for $275. Most of the time I take it all down and replace the hard 6 and 8 for $5 each for $265 ahead.
    To sum it up
    $6, 6 and 8 hop
    $16 or $31 and down(hardway)
    Keep original $6( (even now)
    $5 each on 6 and 8 hard
    First hit wins $45 plus $5 = $50
    Take down $5 on other hard.
    Split $25 each on both 6 and 8
    Second wins $225 if u just take
    Or $275 if u take it all down
    Or $265 if you replace the 6 and 8 hard for $5 each.
    Before I go any further does everyone understand it?
     
    #42
  3. Mssthis1, May 28, 2018

    Mssthis1

    Mssthis1 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2016
    Messages:
    1,226
    Likes Received:
    1,455
    A lot of it depends on how much you want to play.

    The recreational player who only ventures out once a month or so and plays short sessions can get away with place bet strategy's. Lose $100, no big deal, wait a couple months and go again.

    Unless they have significant bankroll, the person who puts in a lot of hours at the table is going to spend a lot of the time he wishes he was playing trying to save up their next gambling stake if they rely on place bets only.

    Pass and come bets are superior if you play a lot. You are "betting what the dice are giving you" more often than place bets over the long term.

    Put in around 8 hours of table time yesterday. Pass won overall, place bets lost overall because there wasn't that one long roll all day. Net loss for the day. We decided to call it a day because we were just ready to go home and call it a day.

    Still ahead for the week, month and year.
     
    #43
    Twelve4s and TDVegas like this.
  4. James Hall, May 28, 2018

    James Hall

    James Hall Member

    Joined:
    May 15, 2016
    Messages:
    9,743
    Likes Received:
    1,685
    Gender:
    Male
    More to follow is never a given but when you consider the risk and reward factor , it sometimes pays to take the shot / gamble.
    I look at it this way , I play the hard 6 & hard 8 for $5 each for me and for the dealers I parlay it twice , if I hit either the third time I am up
    $5,000 , I can lose that $5 a lot of times and still be money ahead,

    There have been many many occasions where I have rolled an easy number with $500 on that particular hard way . I roll enough of them
    the third time that I would never , consider not playing them

    The key is , a person should bet what the dice are giving them
    far too many people don't , they have , "A" betting strategy
    and they stick to it regardless of outcome

    In your earlier post you indicated that the fellow you referred to
    as James seemed to recognize the trend
    In all likelihood to some degree he did because
    He was paying attention to what the dice were doing
    Many people would have everyone believe the dice are
    always random , they are not
     
    #44
  5. 6&8Hopper, May 28, 2018

    6&8Hopper

    6&8Hopper Member

    Joined:
    May 28, 2018
    Messages:
    17
    Likes Received:
    12
    Gender:
    Male
    Incompetence? Wow tough crowd. Lol . Well hopefully the math got better in the past 7 yrs.
    Aren't we all just strategists??? Lmao
     
    #45
  6. James Hall, May 28, 2018

    James Hall

    James Hall Member

    Joined:
    May 15, 2016
    Messages:
    9,743
    Likes Received:
    1,685
    Gender:
    Male
    I talk about this a lot. What I tell people is
    "Many times the difference between winning and losing , is having
    the courage to make the bets when you see these things , you mentioned, happening.
    The biggest thing is to not get all caught up in the negative rhetoric
    put out there by TDVegas and some of those guys when they say
    "YOU CAN'T BET TRENDS , BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW IT'S A TREND TILL IT'S OVER
    Statements like that are real win killers
    The real winners are those who have the COURAGE to make the bets when the opportunities present themselves

    I did read your earlier post and am sorry you did not fare better
    Perhaps next time
     
    #46
  7. TDVegas, May 28, 2018

    TDVegas

    TDVegas Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2014
    Messages:
    13,275
    Likes Received:
    6,249
    100% agree.

    A guy like James who comes into town once every 4 months and wants to "spice it up" with high house edge bets, prop bets, parlay hardways...go for it. A regular, serious player doing that will get burned up pretty fast.
     
    #47
    Last edited: May 28, 2018
  8. James Hall, May 28, 2018

    James Hall

    James Hall Member

    Joined:
    May 15, 2016
    Messages:
    9,743
    Likes Received:
    1,685
    Gender:
    Male
    Serious player??
     
    #48
  9. von duck, May 28, 2018

    von duck

    von duck Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2017
    Messages:
    5,796
    Likes Received:
    1,712
    Gender:
    Male
    :cool:
     
    #49
    TDVegas likes this.
  10. James Hall, May 28, 2018

    James Hall

    James Hall Member

    Joined:
    May 15, 2016
    Messages:
    9,743
    Likes Received:
    1,685
    Gender:
    Male
    When people are on the table, the game going on , they
    know what they should be doing
    When the game is over , they know ,
    WHAT THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE , they call that , "HIND SIGHT"
    they say you have 20 / 20 vision there , "LEARN FROM IT"
     
    #50
  11. Twelve4s, May 28, 2018

    Twelve4s

    Twelve4s Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2016
    Messages:
    5,249
    Likes Received:
    4,249
    Gender:
    Male
    You left out regular.

    Regular vs fantasy player.

    Kinda like Rob Gronkowski vs Dorkwad Don’tkowski.
     
    #51
    yacraps and TDVegas like this.
  12. von duck, May 28, 2018

    von duck

    von duck Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2017
    Messages:
    5,796
    Likes Received:
    1,712
    Gender:
    Male
    That was misspelled word, he meant Sirius, Player. As in, a player from the constellation Canis Major. Commander, SIR. :)
     
    #52
  13. 6&8Hopper, May 28, 2018

    6&8Hopper

    6&8Hopper Member

    Joined:
    May 28, 2018
    Messages:
    17
    Likes Received:
    12
    Gender:
    Male
    Well what does everyone think of my "strategy"
     
    #53
  14. von duck, May 28, 2018

    von duck

    von duck Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2017
    Messages:
    5,796
    Likes Received:
    1,712
    Gender:
    Male
    General Quarters! General Quarters! Man your battle stations! :D
     
    #54
  15. TDVegas, May 28, 2018

    TDVegas

    TDVegas Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2014
    Messages:
    13,275
    Likes Received:
    6,249
    I wouldn't do it...but to each his own. As a regular player, hops and hardways will be a bankroll drain, IMO. I'm not exactly sure what the combined house edge is but assuming it's in the 7-10% range. Oooof. A bit high for my tastes.

    As I said, to each his own as everyone has different play time, goals, etc.

    If you are happy with it...stay with it.
     
    #55
  16. 6&8Hopper, May 28, 2018

    6&8Hopper

    6&8Hopper Member

    Joined:
    May 28, 2018
    Messages:
    17
    Likes Received:
    12
    Gender:
    Male
    Well like I said it's just part of my game play and it's only a $6 investment which I get back in a hop hit. $275 for $6 doesn't sound bad to me. Especially if it ONLY hits 1- 3 times a session.
     
    #56
    yacraps likes this.
  17. eDiceGuy, May 28, 2018

    eDiceGuy

    eDiceGuy Member

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2018
    Messages:
    138
    Likes Received:
    206
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Arizona
    Hello 6&8Hopper, welcome to the forum. I too am fairly new to the forum. I saw there was activity on this thread, so I began reading it from the beginning and even "liked" a couple of the older posts. I will say that your post started some good conversation. Keep it up.
     
    #57
    yacraps likes this.
  18. DeMango, May 28, 2018

    DeMango

    DeMango Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2010
    Messages:
    4,690
    Likes Received:
    1,429
    Gender:
    Male
    IF you can influence the dice.
    IF you use the Hardways set.
    IF your dice stay on axis
    IF you don’t double pitch too much.
    THEN you got a helluva strategy!

    Lotta IF’s!
     
    #58
  19. 6&8Hopper, May 28, 2018

    6&8Hopper

    6&8Hopper Member

    Joined:
    May 28, 2018
    Messages:
    17
    Likes Received:
    12
    Gender:
    Male
    Hate to say it but there are a lot of it's in the game of craps, no matter how you play. A woman rolled 154 times before she rolled a seven. You just never know. That's why they called gambling and not winning.
     
    #59
  20. James Hall, May 28, 2018

    James Hall

    James Hall Member

    Joined:
    May 15, 2016
    Messages:
    9,743
    Likes Received:
    1,685
    Gender:
    Male
    I took "regular" to mean , "ORDINARY" , "RUN of the MILL" , "RANDOM" player
     
    #60