goatcabin - You are 1,000% correct - For beginners - the HardWay Dice Set is the most forgiving - However, unlike the 2V or the 3V - which only have 2 ways to 7-out - if the dice are kept on axis - The hardway set has 4 ways to 7-out - For other than " novices " the 3V dice set is a better alternative - And THEN comes the $ producing 2V dice set ! $...eE..$
While playing the hardways can bring quick money - it's not only the 7 out you have to worry about. With the hardways, not only will a 7 out take your chips off the table, but so will a soft number. I've seen some hardways hit 2 or 3 times, but more often than not, I've seen a hardway, then a soft, and then maybe a hardways again. You will win MORE if you press your first hardway win and IF it comes up again before a soft hit. But you WILL WIN, if you take some of your profit off the first win and maybe add a chip or two to the hardways. The second scenario guarantees a win and profit. The first scenario - you can win BIG . . . . . IF your hardway comes up again before a soft.
I have two approaches for playing hardways: I typically play the point plus two place bets - typically the 6 and 8. I will also put $1 on the hard 6 and hard 8. If a soft 6 or 8 is hit, I replace the bet from my place bet winnings. If the hardway hits, I will parlay it the first time and up it $5 each subsequent hit. My last trip to Vegas I was very successful doing this. I also have a habit of hopping the hardways for $1 each after each pass line win. So if the shooter makes his point - or if he throws a 7 or eleven on the come out - I will hop the hardways for $1 each. If they hit on the come out, I collect the $31 and put $5 on each hardway. A $4 investment (which comes from a previously winning bet) has turned into four $5 hardway bets with a potential payout of $35 or $45 each
I don't play these very often, but when I do I use the "Dice Doctor" progression. For hard six and eight, its $5, 25, 125, 625 and on up to table limit (by 5x) For hard four and ten, its $5, 20, 80, 320 and on up to table limit (by 4x)
I have posted this strategy before on other threads, and for the most part it works simply because I have more ways to win than to lose AND one can actually reduce the probability of winning a hard 10/4 to 1 in 3 as opposed to 35 to 1, and the hard 6/8 to 1 in 5 instead of 35 to 1. I use the doey/don't for starters: 4/10 point = $30 Don't odds (lay) + $7 hardways bet. A soft 4/10 loses you $37, i.e., two ways to lose; a 7 out give you an $8 net win; a hard 4/10 gives you a $19 net win plus you can come down with the bet. Total of seven ways to win something and only two ways to lose. One has a 3 1/2 to one probability of winning over the house and you have now reduced the hardway winner to a 1 in 3 chance of success. The 6/8 are pretty much the same with seven chances to win something and only four ways to lose and reducing the hard 6/8 to a one in five chance of winning. When the table is cold or choppy, this play can reap some reasonable rewards w/o a huge investment. falcon
Skulker, my hero! I had a customer (haven't seen him in years, might be DOA) that would start if the point was even, with $25 & $5, player control, pressing his and parleying ours if it hit.We caught a quintuple for 2K once, but hit 2X a lot. My fave prop bet parley is a $1 one roll seven, let the $5 ride if it hits and lock up $25 if seven rolls back to back.
'Twas not always so. :down: I'm going to regret posting this link, I just know it, but then I regret a lot of things I've done. Perhaps this will spawn a new forum subcategory: The Confessional. :smirk: http://midnightskulker.casinocitytimes.com/article/confessions-of-a-beginning-craps-player-1456
Well my friend at least you figured out EVENTUALLY why Frankie was so down in the mouth!! LMAO! Skulker, gaining wisdom is not a process that you can rush, no matter how intelligent you start out.
************** Hopping the Hardways! JHPA... After plowing through this topic after a long hiatus, I read your later comment after reading a lot of potato farming dice control techniques for hitting the hardways and border line theoretical game plans. Very interesting and... imaginative statement, indeed! I had never thought of pulling something like this off, but for myself, a Hardway "chronic" bettor, you add a new dimension to make MY game a bit more interesting. It is very logical, to me, and has some merit to test out on a table next time I am pressed up against a table. (My Hit and Run inside conservative game plan, earlier posted.) I remember seeing point being made Hard and front line winner made the Hardway. Not often enough, but I MAKE my biggest profits milking the hardways when they are coming up, way beyond statistical norms. It is still a long shot, but within my range of tolerance. Sometimes when you least expect it, someone comes up with some new twist to a game that actually makes sense AND is not part of a magical circus or metaphysical die experience that tires me of reading much further than the second post to a new topic. It shows that I do get off of my toadstool and can pick up a new trick to liven up a table! Thank you. You made my day more interesting!
When I have doubled my buy-in, I will throw down hard ways at $5 each. I parlay the 1st hit and double the remaining. I take the payout on the 3rd hit, leaving the base bet. If I miss a hardway, I start that number back at $5. I'll chase a hardway no more than 3 times. My most recent was at New Orleans Boomtown. Bought in for $400, left with $1900.
No. Since I only do hardways when I have doubled my buy-in, I don't feel a need for a hedge. Also, I prefer to make pass line and come bets, so at that point, I'm usually on 4 or 5 points. For me, come bets leave me less exposed if I have an early 7-out.
Hi preacher you buy in for 400 you double that is the total 800 or 800 plus your original buy in of 400 just asking
