Hardways betting strategy

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  1. siik2nr, Sep 28, 2011

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    I've decided to start betting hardways, but bet it with a strategy.

    I use the hardway set exclusively and as a result I hit a LOT of them. Many back to back. (not 1-2 roll but hard....few rolls....then hard again)

    I've sat back during my throw and watched players make a fortune of my hardways.

    So I'd like to hear your betting strategies for betting the hardways.

    What I've seen is that they will throw $20 into the center and have $5 on each.

    (9-1 payout)
    Hit once it pays $45. They take $25 and press $20.
    Hit twice it pays $180 and they pick it up.

    or

    Hit once and leave it all
    Hit twice and it pays $405.

    I looked at my practice sheet and a just about every 3rd or 4th roll, I hit a consecutive hardway.

    Thoughts?
     
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  2. $nakeEye$, Sep 28, 2011

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    If you are going to bet $5 on each HardWay number -

    You might try a " Press and Take " progressive strategy -

    Especially on yourself as the shooter -

    In essence this is how it works -

    1st hit - PRESS -

    2nd hit - Same Bet - TAKE THE WINNINGS -

    3rd hit - PRESS -

    4th hit - Same as 2nd hit -

    Now -

    Here comes the dilemmas you will face - and you must decide which route to success is best fitted to your particular SRR and throwing success / longevity before the inevitable 7 out occurs :

    #1 - On the PRESS - do you PRESS the number that hit - or do you spread it evenly on ALL the HardWays ?

    #2 - On the progression run - you might want to limit how many times you will " Hit and Press " before taking everything down and reverting back to your starting point of $5 on each Hardway number -

    Nobody rolls forever -

    Even Patty DeMauro eventually 7'd out -

    You do not want to leave too much $ on the table when the hand comes to an end -

    " Press and Take " affords you the opportunity to take at the least some, perhaps more or even all of your winnings off the table before that infamous " You're Out " is called by the stick !
     
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  3. $nakeEye$, Sep 28, 2011

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    Also,

    I was told quite a while ago -


    " Take what the table is giving you " -

    That is probably the best advise that you will get -

    And Good Luck at the tables !
     
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  4. tercol58, Sep 28, 2011

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    lately I have been betting 1 dollar on each hardway at the begining of a new shooter I parlay each as they hit then take the profits if they hit again with a smaller press some times or just let it ride. I have had a little luck but a good shooter could do great at this would think
     
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  5. siik2nr, Sep 28, 2011

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    I like the parlay on the hardways. I've seen it hit a lot on my throws. With a $5 starting bet.....it can grow to either $245 (7-1) or $405 (9-1) with just 2 hits. I see this 20 times more than a fire bet.

    Will give it a try and see. Probably start with $2 on all hardways and parlay any hits.
     
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  6. The Midnight Skulker, Sep 28, 2011

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  7. tercol58, Sep 28, 2011

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    high house advantage, no serious player would make them, except maybe as a way to toke the dealers. On the other hand, these bets have high payoffs, and a majority of the big wins I have witnessed have been by players hitting a lot of prop bets.
    I hope I am not out of line to quot you sir if I am please let me know and forgive me. I have seen players make big prop bets yo/12/craps all combos and the hardways even large field bets that stay up and are pressed till they see the 5/6 or 8. Most often these folks win big and leave broke not alone but first but conservitive bets as you describe can give a nice profit or at least extend the exitment at the table a bit
     
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  8. tercol58, Sep 28, 2011

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    high house advantage, no serious player would make them, except maybe as a way to toke the dealers. On the other hand, these bets have high payoffs, and a majority of the big wins I have witnessed have been by players hitting a lot of prop bets.
    I hope I am not out of line to quot you sir if I am please let me know and forgive me. I have seen players make big prop bets yo/12/craps all combos and the hard ways even large field bets that stay up and are pressed till they see the 5/6 or 8. Most often these folks win big and leave broke not alone but first but conservative bets as you describe can give a nice profit or at least extend the excitement at the table a bit
     
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  9. tercol58, Sep 28, 2011

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    not sure why I double posted is there a way to remove double posts
     
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  10. $nakeEye$, Sep 28, 2011

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    Try to " edit " one your posts and delete all info and try to " update post " it might work - it might not !
     
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  11. mtarcpa, Oct 2, 2011

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    MS,

    I saw Eddie in Tunica last year. I think I posted on RecGambling craps that using something similar to you re, green, black for you I started with the same $5/$1, pressed to $25/$5,, then $125/$25. I've hit at that level twice on the same night but have hit at the next level I go to $250/$50.

    Have hit it one other time at the third level

    Got the crews attention with those bets.

    Noah
     
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  12. peteydogg, Jun 10, 2012

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    What set are you using to throw all of these hardways?






     
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  13. siik2nr, Jun 10, 2012

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  14. $nakeEye$, Jun 10, 2012

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    The " universally / accepted " hardway set is with the " 4/4 - 5/5 - 3/3 and 2/2 on the faces of the dice -

    In conjuction with the 1/1 and 6/6 faces on axis -

    Simply , you have Hard 4, Hard 6, Hard 8 and Hard 10 - on the faces of the dice -

    IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT PAIR THAT YOU HAVE UP, FACING YOU , FACING DOWN OR TOWARDS THE BACK WALL -

    This set is the " HardWay " dice set - " Hardway Point #'s " on the faces of the dice -

    Incorporating the 1/1 and/or the 6/6 into this set on the dice faces IS NOT the HARDWAY DICE SET !
     
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  15. Greatest 7 Shooter in the World, Jun 19, 2012

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    How is this going? I dont think I have ever seen anyone go to the tables and just plan on betting hardways, but if that's all you practice I would be interested in hearing how you have favored.
     
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  16. siik2nr, Jun 20, 2012

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    I don't exclusively bet hardways. However when my dice are "on"... I add them to my game. I have hit several parlays starting from a $2 wager to $18 to win $162.

    Using the 3V set I hit 3 hard 10's in a row.

    I've also hit 5 horns in a row...pressed $10 each time.
     
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    I generally do not put much money on the hardways. When I do, I almost always am betting hardways by re-investing some of the proceeds from a previous winner. There are three instances when I bet hardways

    1) Once a point is made. I typically bet "$10 action" on the next come out roll: Three way craps - $2 each - and hop the hardways for $1 each. If a point is set hard I take my $31 win, put $5 on each hardway and collect the remaing $11. I will also make sure I have each even number placed for at least the table minimum. As each harway hits, I press $5 on each hardway. If one comes down due to a soft hit, I replace it with $2 from my place bet winnings.

    2) If a new shooter starts and sets the point with a hard number, I will bet throw a $5 chip and say "hardways, high on the point". I will also place the even numbers for at least the table minimum. If a hardway comes down due to a soft number hit, I replace it with from my winning place bet. If they any of the harways hit, I will press each hardway up $1. If another one hits, I take them to $5 each. If a $5 hits, I press each $5.

    3) Sometimes, it just seems the shooter is on a roll and everyone is piling on hardways, You gotta go with the flow. But I do this pretty rarely.
     
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  18. DarkSiderRidah, Jun 28, 2012

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    I don't always play Hardways. But when I do, its because I'm hedging a DP bet on the 4-10 or 6-8.

    Must say I was skeptical about a "hardway strategy". But parts of it were intriguing. Like placing both the # and its hardway counterpart. This may not be new to most folks, but this is what I came up with and have been testing online and at casinos. Results were mediocre but exciting nonetheless.

    I present to the forum My DP Hardway Hedge Strat. Note: To implement this strat you should play on the DP (It don't work playing on the PL).

    $25 on DP
    Point comes, any point bar 5&9.
    If point is 4 or 10: Play $24 inside ($12 on 6&8 each), along with $3-$5 on Hard 4 or 10, whichever is point#.
    If point is 6 or 8: Play the outside with $20, along with a $3 Hard 6 or 8 bet (whichever is point).

    Now, of course, this method is most effective when points are 4 or 10. Its true when they say "Point 4/10 is a DP player's dream!". On come-out rolls, DP players should always use a 2-V set, which facilitate more 4's & 10's.
    When dealing with a 6 or 8 point, the DP Hardway Hedge bet is more likely to lose. Since a 6 or 8 is 80% more likely to land as a soft rather than hard; as opposed to 66% chances of hitting a soft 4 or 10.


    If point 5 or 9 comes you will not be able to hedge using a Hardway counterpart since hard 5&9 don't exist.
    In a point 5 or 9 scenario you can avoid Hardways altogether and just bet Inside & Out numbers (4,6,8,10). But if you insist on playing Hardways during these points then:

    Bet $10 on the 4 & 10 each.
    Bet $2 on Hard 4 & 10 each.

    Now wait. Wait for that 10 or 4 hard or not.
    If 7 shows up with out any hit, so what u make $1.
    Only exposure now is the point # wich will cost $25

    In the event of a soft 4 or 10 hit, replace $10 on that # and $2 on its hard twin. rack the profit which should be $16. Now u can hedge by putting $15 of those earnings on the point # so u don't lose all of ur DP. Up to you.
    In the event of a hard 4 or 10 hit, BOOYA! Now Press the Hard 4 and 10 up to $10.

    Set that 2-V and let it rip.
     
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  19. TedBoy, Jul 10, 2012

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    When I bet the hard ways I have found the 6 and 8 hit more than 4 and 10. I only press the number that hits. One a hot shooter this can be very lucrative. Dont bother starting with just $1. Go $5 and then press to $25. If your $25 hits you ar in Fat City and press it up to $100 and pocket $150
     
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  20. SevenOut, Nov 22, 2012

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    I am seeing stars dancing around my head and must be ready to pass out as my head is ready to hit my Pass Line bet.

    I enjoy watching the non traditional Don't or Pass players. I have watched games that were so out of the ordinary that a nontraditional system is raking in the payoffs and the traditional players are wondering what happened, when their chips are missing from the table and rack!

    After I regain consciousness: On a New Game I always begin with Placing the $12 six and eight with a $5 hard six and eight is good coverage as part of my standard game. A Pass Line odds bet on the six or eight will deserve a $10 hardway bet on whichever are point. Never chase the hardway with a chip bet, AFTER it has hit once. It might be the last time you see it thrown hard while you still have chips in your rack. I like hitting point with a 4 or 10 with money on the hardway. Much easier to have a hardway four when a four is rolled. Getting that four is another story. (I am an inside Pass Line player and Hardways for entertainment.)

    Never say "I NEVER" when it comes to any betting strategy. You might be bucking some high negative statistics wanting to press and having a hardway bet hit once, twice or more in a game. Although, I remember those rolls and never complained, but did appreciate the lop sided statistical odds of it happening. But, I want to forget the games when the numbers were thrown soft, multiple times during a game and I kept making only $9 off of a $12 place 6/8 bet (or more after pressing up), after keeping the hardway up/back on a 6 or 8 to hit for another $5.

    Sometimes just WATCHING a Craps game as a bystander is the best education any player can have to perfect a strategy and cheaper by playing a mental game of how you would have done during the game you are watching.
     
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