Hard Way Place Bets!

Discussion in 'Prop Bets & Side Bets' started by DeMango, May 31, 2017.

  1. DeMango, Jul 3, 2017

    DeMango

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    In the Biloxi market many will not play on a table without the ATS bet. No matter lower payouts. I will not play on a crowded table, or even 50% full. It just depends how anal we get, I never count on a crapster to make me money and I'm right about 90% of the time.
     
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  2. von duck, Jul 3, 2017

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    What do you want the guy to do, LAY HIS BALLS ON THE TABLE?
     
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  3. superrick, Jul 3, 2017

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    Well, I would have one hell of a comeback for your post but being the nice guy I won't post it. After all he is the man when it comes to playing craps. Let's all hear it for HornHiYo, the only guy that knows how to play the game!
     
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  4. HornHiYo, Jul 3, 2017

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    Lol!
    You like to go into your bully mode of operation when people wise up to you huh.

    But really..... Mr Self Proclaimed Know-It-All is your hard earned, well deserved title.

    I'm just a chunker pointing out the emperor wears no cloths. That means you ain't winning any more or less often than anybody else. Lots of talk little else.

    By the way..... what's the name of that book that you claim it says passline wager is the worst bet on the craps table? Can you backup your claim or is it just somemore of your bull?
     
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  5. superrick, Jul 3, 2017

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    Boy, your so smart how did anybody ever win at craps before you started posting?

    So, where will everyone have to drive to so you can show them what you know?

    Go back and read my posts on the pass-line bet. I've posted about the bet before so do some reading.

    I'm looking forward to all of your soon to be great post!
     
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  6. HornHiYo, Jul 4, 2017

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    Smart enough to see through your bullshit and unlike Harley and a few others, wise enough to never meet up with you.
     
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  7. KokomoJoe4, Jul 4, 2017

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    ......................Pass (or come) vs. Place (or buy)

    re house edge -1.41%.........................-0.85% to -6.67$
    immediate winner 22.2%.......................N/A
    immediate loser 11.1%..........................N/A
    delayed winner 33%,40% or 45.5%.......33%, 40% or 45.5%
    delayed loser 54.5%,60% or 67% .........54.5%,60% or 64%


    amt won as % of outlay

    insides: flat and 6/5 = 1.2x amount risked............7/6 = 1.17x amount risked
    odds: flat and 3/2 = 1.5x amount risked...............7/5 = 1.4x amount risked
    outsides: flat and 2x amount risked......................9/5 = 1.8 amount risked

    True, a place bet can be on, off or moved elsewhere as desired. So can the odds portion of the line bet. Only the flat part of the bet is contracted.

    When stakes (and odds) are small, PERHAPS the place bet is better, at least in the sense that more money can be won with it when compared to small flat/small odds.

    BUT, when winning and betting bigger, not only does the line winner pay more for the same amount risked, it ALSO comes with the opportunity for the immediate winner and parlay, if desired.

    Hmmm. Place bettors will almost always be pressing their winners, where these winning box numbers have expectations of winning somewhere between 33-54.5%. However, these same players do NOT want the opportunity for a four for one winner, where they are a 2:1 favorite for one roll to do so?

    This makes no sense to me.

    I have nothing against place betting if that is what you want to do. If you win doing it, I can understand using what works for you, and I am envious, because I have not had good results with them.
     
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  8. superrick, Jul 4, 2017

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    Oh, so you too love Harley, the one guy that has just about pissed off everybody on any of the boards that have anything to do with gambling, smart man HornHiYo, that tells a lot about you! Now, I never want to meet up with you. So keep up the good work that you are doing here on this board!
     
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  9. HornHiYo, Jul 4, 2017

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    I didn't say that, you did. This is just my observation that more than one is happy to get off the Short Bus that has such limited capacity.
     
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  10. superrick, Jul 4, 2017

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    Well, I hate to tell you this but it's good riddance to Harley and all of the trouble that he has caused over the years for me, I should have listened to everybody that was telling me he was bad new and that is where the short bus name came from. There are guys that hate him and now I too know why!

    So if anybody does see him please call me and let me know where he is at! He walked off with the craps table while I was in Fla.
     
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  11. KokomoJoe4, Jul 4, 2017

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    Didn't Snake say that someone bought the table from Harley? I can't keep up with all the details, but am pretty sure he said this.
     
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  12. von duck, Jul 4, 2017

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    I never could pass up a bargain.:cool:
     
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  13. superrick, Jul 4, 2017

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    Harley, when he came to my house with the police, told the officer that he needed money and sold the table while I was out of town in Fla!

    It's a well-known fact the Harley lived in my travel trailer from April to Nov. for free and when I got back from Fla. in the first few days of Dec the table was missing. He picked it up that VDC's house and was suppose to bring it back to my house which never happened!

    When I got back home he was out of my house in a flash never to be seen again. Till he showed back up at my house with the police trying to get a ladder back.

    Well, that will never happen until I get the craps table back. Who knows he may be living out of his broken down truck or went back to Texas. Funny, out of all the guys that I know, nobody has run into him or they are helping him hide out!
     
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  14. lone irish digit, Jul 4, 2017

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    On our last roadtrip last week, Barney saw a dude outside of one of the local casinos which he said looked a lot like Hardley. I told him I didn't think so and he was probably just an out of work Mexican wrastler. Although the dude wanted $5 bucks for a picture, Barney took the picture anyways without paying:







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  15. HornHiYo, Jul 4, 2017

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    That is unfortunate. Good luck finding your table!
     
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  16. KokomoJoe4, Jul 4, 2017

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    SR,

    If he's peddling that Trinity stuff, Harley is probably still somewhere in NV, don't you think?
     
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  17. superrick, Jul 4, 2017

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    Unfortunately, what happened goes to show you never trust a gambler. The whole thing has stopped me from helping anybody that I've not known for a few years.


    Guys like DeMango, had told me many times over that I was protecting a scum bag but Harley had me convinced that he was the one that others were lying about. There was always things on the craps boards that Harley posted that would start wars.


    What I've found out after what happened was that he told other different stories about what he did before he came to Vegas and the reason he didn't use his real name on anything was that he must have been hiding from something!


    I'm still doing an investigation into who he is and what he was hiding from! If anybody has any real information on him please give me a call. After all, someone out there knows where he is!
    So, guys, Harley rode off into the sunset on the short bus and I will no longer defend him or anybody that is helping him!

    Unfortunately, over the years my name got associated with him and what he was writing!
    Now that I know first hand what a scum bag he is those days are over with!
     
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  18. Pressit, Jul 5, 2017

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    SR.So that is the electric bike? NICE. Me thinks you need to upgrade that horn LOL You know somewhere in FL there is a special BC machine calling out your name awaiting your return. Do BC machines have Hop Bets? Keep your losses small and your winnings large.
     
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  19. von duck, Jul 5, 2017

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    Yeah, good luck with that.:D
     
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  20. Twelve4s, Jul 5, 2017

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    Aruze machines have hop bets. Can't speak for Interblock.
     
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